Microsoft boss says they're "flattered"
by Adams Briscoe 
{ Mar 31st 2006 at 11:30AM }
In a hit-and-run interview with MCV at the Game
Developers Conference, Chris Lewis of Microsoft Europe spoke candidly about their feelings for Sony's online platform.
"It’s certainly flattering to see that our competition rates aspects of Xbox 360 and Xbox Live so highly
that they’re integrating these features into their own product."Ouch! Pithy comment alert up there. Since they've been around the block a few times, that gives them a little freedom to say what they want about their competition. But he didn't stop there. He also spoke about having been involved in the games biz for long enough to know that initial declarations don't always hold up in the end. So behind the belittling, do you think Microsoft is just stirring up the pot or are they getting worried? Not sure if we can detect any fear behind those comments, but gamers are starting to express their interest in free online gaming (just look at our poll).
Naysayers might conclude that nothing in life is free, and PNP will be no different. Microsoft would probably love to see that too. But now that Sony has our attention, they can't afford to lose it by deciding to change up the formula. This is one initial claim that Sony fans are taking to the bank.
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
Microdot @ Mar 31st 2006 11:43AM
funny... they find an isolated area where they have a current lead, but fail to realize the irony of their own statement. as i seem to remember it, didnt the sony (as well as nintendo, sega, atari, and countless others) beat m$ LONG to the punch in building game consoles? wouldnt m$ just be "copying" others ideas on that front? and i love what you did with usb on the 360... i wonder wherever did you get that idea? could it have been from the ps2 maybe? ankle biters.
give it a rest m$. your 360 (speaking from experience... i owned one for a month before getting tired of it, and selling it on ebay) is a steamy pile of crap, and the only decent thing going for it, is the online service. i dont like online gaming anyway... so it matters not to me.
poopnoodle @ Mar 31st 2006 12:18PM
your argument of using the $ sign to spell microsoft makes me want to sell my 360 and buy a ps3. why "dont" you like online gaming? maybe 'cause the playstation online service eats my shit? hmmmm maybe. furthermore wouldn't it be a good idea to wait for the ps3 to come out before comparing it to the 360?
Microdot @ Mar 31st 2006 1:01PM
because when i get the free moment to myself to do anything, i like to enjoy MY free time. the experiences i've had online for the most part are somewhat aggravating. listening to some punk 10 year old tell me to 'f%$# my mother', or another great one when you get a team built up, are storming into the enemy stronghold... and you look back and half of them have bailed leaving you all alone to have your ass handed to you. hahaha
when i sit down to play.. i dont want to deal with anyone else... i dont want to wait around for a team to get ready to do something (just using that as an example... im actually not too much into fps games, although i do play some) etc. i just want to kick back and play at my own whim.
ive actually owned an xbox longer than i have a ps2. i was one of the first to get a 360. i love the xbox... its a great system, and i think a bit over what the ps2 is, although the ps2 has the games i really want to play. the 360 though is a pile of crap. in one month, i went through two of them. the first completely crapped out (would not boot at all), and the place i purchased (that i typically spend insane amounts with) saved me the time and swapped it out. a couple of weeks after that problem... the new one continually locked up, and at the end... wouldnt recognize its own discs (put it in, and it instructs you to put it in a 360 if you want to play... even though it was in a 360). m$ gave me a bs line about the discs being scratched, and not to move the system with a disc in, etc. the system was never touched, on or off. i got tired of it, sold it, and wont be touching another. graphics are great, online service is great, and the games are decent (although somewhat lacking... but its new. its to be expected) but the hardware and OS were quite crap. out of three personal friends that went out to purchase them already... only one hasnt had an issue... and he's the last one with a 360.
Jim N @ Mar 31st 2006 1:07PM
I love how everybody is talking up Sony's free PNP service. Was I the only one that got the memo about the Silver Xbox Live package? You buy the console and you get the silver xbox live at no additional cost just like PNP and Nintendo WiFi. Sony has never said that they will be giving away all their online service only basic online gaming service.
Microdot @ Mar 31st 2006 1:16PM
and i believe you just explained yourself into proving everyone elses point. i agree... its a bit premature to be arguing which is better, as right now, xbox wins for the simple fact that THERES EXISTS.... however, m$ has NO online gaming for free. (i think maybe the arcade games might be... i cant remember) im sure sonys will probably be structured the same as microsoft with that exception... and for the most part, thats all anyone wants to do. play online. who cares about buying avatars and themes?
George G @ Mar 31st 2006 1:31PM
it's funny that microsoft thinks there the best in the online biz, when there are more people currently playing soccom online on ps2 than all online users on xbox and 360. everquest anyone? huge online game, made by who? sony, thats right. gee i wonder if their online thing will work. it's sad when microsoft fans clammor about the online service and halo 3.......what else do they have to back themselves up? atleast if the ps3 is only "as good" as the 360, they still have some of the most solid franchises in gaming period.
reklesgemini @ Mar 31st 2006 1:59PM
same way sega was flattered when they heard everyone was going online with their consoles.
It's the business, copy and make better
reklesgemini @ Mar 31st 2006 2:02PM
same way sega was flattered when they heard everyone was going online with their consoles.
It's the business, copy and make better.
And tell me who actually enjoys the limitations on the "silver" version?
Cage @ Mar 31st 2006 2:27PM
Can you at least post this since you dont want to post anything else?
Cage @ Mar 31st 2006 2:40PM
Thank you. Appreciate the post. You guys are special. PS3 sucks. Thanks again. Love the site. Wish you well. PS3 sucks. Enjoy the weekend. Love your show.
SuicideNinja @ Mar 31st 2006 2:53PM
"wouldnt m$ just be "copying" others ideas on that front? and i love what you did with usb on the 360... i wonder wherever did you get that idea? could it have been from the ps2 maybe? ankle biters."
I don't think it's just that the PS3 will be online that they are flattered about. It's that Sony is obviously trying to match all features of Xbox live (friends, chat, downloads, etc). Personally, I don't think Sony will do it well. But anything should be an improvement over taking the PS2 online. So we do have reason to be excited.
As far as USB ports, the PS2 may have them, but they are pretty useless unless you play FFXI, or SOCOM with a headset. They had no reason to even upgrade to USB 2.0 with the slimline PS2 because of their limited use. For me, all the PS2's USB ports will be good for is powering the 2.5" drive I HAVE TO SOLDER IN because they decided to stop supporting it in the slimlines. Anyway, USB is essentially a requirement for most media devices now, so saying that Microsoft "copied" it is just naive. What else are we going to connect our USB thumbdrives, mice and keyboards to?
I especially love how everyone that comments pretends they have had three or more Xbox 360s that failed. Um, I could go on for a while about PS2s, including the brand new ones. The PS2 is the lowest quality of console I've ever owned and ever worked with. Lucky for me, I can fix them and make a buck because people keep buying them (check ebay for "broken PS2"). Gamestop gives $20 for a broken PS2 and $60 for working one.
Hopefully the PS3 is more like the PSX in terms of quality. But since they are cramming too much in there, its hard not to be skeptical.
boots @ Mar 31st 2006 2:54PM
And it's flattering how Microsoft copied everything else. It doesn't matter though, it is confirmed already that games will be free to play online, and that there will be a hard drive included in every PS3 (and used in every game). PS3 will be better in almost everything, and you'll get more for your money.
Cage @ Mar 31st 2006 3:24PM
Please...oh please keep hyping up a free online service so Sony can fall on their face. At least then it will be interesting to see what Sony fanboys will put on the pedestal next...
Microdot @ Mar 31st 2006 3:38PM
please... oh please keep whining about it. it would be so great if you could just cry for us all a little bit more. i know you can do it cage!
while you're at it, you might want to tend to that drool before it shorts your keyboard.
reklesgemini @ Mar 31st 2006 4:04PM
Dan Choi, was I right? or was I right?
Geof @ Mar 31st 2006 5:36PM
George G-
"when there are more people currently playing soccom online on ps2 than all online users on xbox and 360. "
Not picking sides here because I think this argument is useless, but just to let you know this isn't true at all. There are more players on halo 2 then all of Playstion Online.
Cage @ Mar 31st 2006 5:51PM
No whine here buddy. What the hell would Sony get out of a free service? They would need a whole team to work on this everyday once its up and running. This is extra resources wasted. = more expense and no revenue to offset that expense. For the slow ones (Microdot), this would mean that they would lose more money on top of the money they are losing from each console. Keep bringing it up though fanboys...you keep giving Microsoft, I mean M$ (cause they are the only corporation out to make money), the better console.
Microdot @ Mar 31st 2006 7:35PM
what would sony get out of a free service? you cant be serious. are you fucking retarded? a downs syndrome patient? (thats a serious question. do your parents know that you are on the internet with your condition?)
free = publicity.
free = interest.
free = more sales of the console.
let me ask you, since you seem to be so immensely knowledgeable, and i guess.. i only do this for a living.... you think that $50 per year covers the throughput, support, hardware, and salaries of those running the live service for m$?? i'll give you a guess... it rhymes with no. that amount barely covers bandwidth and access lines required to push the frames needed to promote a halfway stable existance.
its a losing business. however, they lose to gain. what they lose in services and hardware that entice customers to purchase, they gain back well over that cost, in sales of games and extras.
ps - if you feel like playing the e-tard online, feel free to hit my forums to discuss it further.. but you're just making yourself look like an idiot here (as well as most other places im guessing). if you dont like the ps3... dont fucking buy one. its as simple as that. all your problems are solved. unless you have invested an enormous amount of money (which down syndrome patients rarely have) into m$... the conversations here shouldnt affect you in the least, much less to a point that you have to actively run around drooling on everything like a freaking moron screaming about how much "the 360 pwns!"
give it a rest man.
Microdot @ Mar 31st 2006 7:53PM
didnt mean to overlook you suicideninja. i agree... probably for the first year or so, sonys online service wont be up to snuff, and probably quite crappy. they are new to this, and m$ has experience in the area already, not to mention the know how (or some would say lack of) in large scale server environments.
regardless of what the usb is there for... its there. i could plug in a usb keyboard, and away i went. its a similar comparison to what this article was originally talking about... as m$ doesnt have a clue, just like non of us really do either, exactly WHAT sonys online service will be.
here is my ebay auction for the 360 that was traded out yet AGAIN. i worded it nicely, so as to not scare off a buyer... but thats it. feel free to contact me through ebay... i'll be happy to respond.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62054&item=8269398823
i personally.. have never had an issue with the ps2. also never had an issue with the original xbox. i think both are great systems, and as i said... i think the xbox has a little more to it. the 360 though... i just couldnt take it. too many issues. im sure there are people out there that have zero problems with theirs... i know one personally, and there are a few dozen on my board. but i know just as many that DO have issues. if you are one of the lucky ones that is having a good experience with it... good for you. i wasnt. and i tried. several times.
i, just like the rest, can only hope sony doesnt screw everyone, and this system is good. if its not... im going to be stuck to my mac, and the ps2 and xbox... cause i will not repurchase either the ps3 or 360 just to play. i had actually hoped that nintendo was going to turn the revolution into something great... but theyve already lost me. the lack of processor speed, the lack of hd ability... that all lost it for me. its a game cube in a shiny new box.
Fan @ Mar 31st 2006 8:51PM
Microsoft should just say they got owned.
Paying for an peer to peer online service that only uses your own bandwith is an insult. You pay Microsoft to use your own internett connection. What a rip off.
Im glad there are some sain companies out there that understands that there is absolutly no reason to charge for such a service. Maybe Microsoft will come with a free version too. They should.
Cary @ Mar 31st 2006 10:37PM
Sony free service? Let's recap:
Xbox:
NIC - Included
HDD - Included
Four controller ports - Included
PS2:
NIC - Add-on or Slimline
HDD - Add-on ONLY ORIGINAL PS2
Memory Card - Add-on
Multi-tap - Add-on
PS2 is all about NOT BEING A COMPLETE SYSTEM! If you wanna save your game, buy a memory card. Wanna play online, buy a NIC. Wanna play ONE (1) Game, gotta buy the HDD with it. Care to play with more than one extra person, buy a multi-tap.
Moral of the story? MS is NOT THE ONLY EVIL CORPORATION!!!
The only difference between MS and Sony is MS treats it's customers better. Sony raw dogged all you PS2 lovers and took it all without any lubrication.
So that's why I chose Xbox. It was the only system out that needed NO accessories. That's why I bought a 360. Mine works fine, not to say I don't think you guys are a *bit overzealous but, the Sony Fanboys, you guys are actually happy with the treatment Sony gives you.
I pay $3.85/month for Xbox Live. This fact alone makes all the punks act straight. MS messed up when they gave free 2 month trials. SO MANY PUNKS came on and would get banned only to activate another account under a new name.
I LOVE how one of you mentions that a punk was talking crap in XBL, WISE UP MAN! What makes you think there won't be punks in PS3's FREE SERVICE. There is nothing stopping them.
I sincerly hope Sony does a free online service. Continue taking it in the ass fellas! Keep up the good work.
BTW, if Sony actually manages to keep all of their promises I will consider buying a PS3. But after Sony attempted to bend me over with the PS2, they are really going to have to try hard to get me back.
Microdot @ Apr 1st 2006 12:32AM
yep... thats why i said the xbox was a better system than the ps2. it was m$ thinking ahead however... as the extras really didnt even come into use til later in its life. they were able to sit back and see what sony did (or didnt do) and improve upon it.
i agree with you again on m$ not being the only "evil corp" out there... sony has screwed lots of people, but i dont think it so much on the ps2. they try to lock in customers to their own formats, that only they will control and set pricing on (minidisc anyone?). ditto for m$ on a MUCH larger scale. if you dont pay m$ their fees... you dont make 3rd party products for it. plain and simple. i do however disagree on the statement that m$ treats their customers better. that is a joke of astronomical portions.
im not a fanboy of anything (except possible *nix / os x), but baseless accusations are somewhat crap. i'll lean more towards supporting sony though than i will the xbox.
and that was me discussing the shit talking kids on xbl. if you were smart enough to read my statements, you would have also read that i dont play online, especially now, and wont with the ps3 either. but its nice to know the option is there for free if i ever wanted to try it again for some unknown reason. (said i wouldnt again after xbl... then decided to try again when i got the 360)
and you are seriously sitting here comparing the 360 to the ps2? you bought the 360, because it had more features than the ps2?? something that was designed 6-7 years ago?
and yes... you dont need any accessories for the 360.... until you need to buy a cooling system for the power supply if you move it elsewhere... or when you need to buy an external hd dvd or blu ray player... or wireless... or run out of room on the mediocre sized hard drive... or....
yeah. i think i'll stop there.
Dan Choi @ Apr 1st 2006 2:35AM
"Dan Choi, was I right? or was I right?"
Given the choice between you being right and you being right, reklesgemini, I'd probably have to choose you being right. ;) But let's take a look at your earlier comment to see if I'm hearing you correctly:
"same way sega was flattered when they heard everyone was going online with their consoles.
It's the business, copy and make better.
And tell me who actually enjoys the limitations on the 'silver' version?"
Copying a feature while improving on it is one way of defining "innovation" (though creating something entirely new is perhaps a better one), something Microsoft has taken to the bank time and time again--whether through the browser or OS markets. Being "derivative" is part and parcel of almost every artistic endeavor from music to movies to literature, and this certainly applies to making new video game hardware as well, so we shouldn't knock Microsoft OR Sony for cribbing good features from the other.
As far as the Xbox Live Silver Level membership is concerned, as least you get free text and voice messages (so free long distance on a console, right?). Not TOO shabby...
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/memberships/
Cary @ Apr 1st 2006 10:20AM
MicroDot,
No I was comparing Xbox 1 vs PS2 on the complete out-of-the-box system.
360 is Fine if you bought a premium like I did, but if you get the core, you'll find yourself needing some other things.
I kind of meant, since Xbox 1 did everything out-of-the-box I wanted to segway that into xbox 360.
Also, since you mention proprietary products from Sony, how can you not believe MS treats their customers better than Sony.
Remember, this is strictly MS vs. Sony. MS never pigeon-holed, hardware-wise, anyone out there into using their products. MS just has a bigger userbase on their OS than anything else, which grants them everyone designing drivers and software to be compatible with Windows.
What it comes down to is:
Sony pushes their weight onto you. Forcing you to eat whatever they want you to eat when you buy their products. UMD, Memory Stick Duo, MD, BD-rom. Of course there are alot of companies on the BD racket, but my point is MS Didn't bundle HD-DVD with the 360. IF BD-Rom is successful, they will make an external adapter for it.
MS is so widespread that they don't have to push anyone. Developers choose to program for Windows, because it makes the most business sense. MS has a gravity that pulls people to them, when they finally make their choice than they can go.
Like Xbox 1 and 360 Premium, when you get the box and buy a game your set. You don't have to get anything else.
cheese @ Apr 1st 2006 10:37AM
Funny how Microsoft forgets that they copied everything the PS2 had planned to do: DVD drive, hard drive (ps2 had the slot ready), online play, etc. The only reason MS got into the business is because they saw that someone like Sony could do it, and they thought they could hang. All MS did was build a micro-atx pc and called it a console, and emulate what Sony had done or planned on doing.
boots (former bd) @ Apr 1st 2006 3:28PM
Funny how Xbugs chose the Xbucks for its useless "services" as opposed to the games; but I understand their choice, given that they couldn't have chosen the Xflop for its games, as there aren't any.
I have a gamecube, and I only have 3 controllers because it's rare to play with more people this days. Hell, 2 controllers was enough for PS1 and PS2. 4 controllers didn't help the dreamcast, nor the buttseXbox, and it won't help the Dreamcast 360 (nor the 7 controllers for PS3 will make much of a difference; it's a gimmick).
Besides, Xcrock cost more than PS2 when it came out, so if you were willing to be raped for an almost useless hard-drive, then good for you. I have around 30 PS2 games, and I still haven't completely used a whole 8 MB memory card. Therefore, the hard drive was a gimmick; then again, Xbutt (of jokes) needed it. You know, to patch the system in case of major game flaws or just for lazy developers "we'll finish it later" (Ninja Gaiden anyone? Fable anyone? Halo 2 anyone? funny how the 'best' games had to be patched. lol); after all, more than two thirds of Xcocks had one flaw (which is funny because you always read about Sony haters/Shitbox lovers tout the failure ratio of the PS2).
Microsoft copied everything, and now they want to appear as "cool" and "innovative" as opposed to Sony or Nintendo. Just for the record, SEGA had the exact same attitude. Unfortunately for the industry and for Microsoft's stockholders, since M$ has deep pockets, we're going to have to endure two more consoles from them until they decide they've had enough of losses. What a waste of resources. With all that money, you could have cured AIDS, Cancer, starvation in Africa, and still been able to enjoy a great meal in a triple A restaurant.
Microdot @ Apr 1st 2006 4:23PM
Cary...
(this comment is discussing m$ in general as a company... not pigeonholing the xbox dev team)
you obviously arent a developer or network admin. i have been at the forefront of countless run ins with m$. more than i care to remember. I have also been on three individual think tanks that wound up finding fairly massive security exploits. ever tried dealing with them directly? #1 - they could give two shits about the customer. they are extremely pompous in the "if you dont use windows, what other choice do you have" department.
they INTENTIONALLY strike out at anything that they feel threatened by... anything that may cost them money. and... they have been found guilty of such... and continue to, to this day. competition drives the market and pushes development and creativity forward. m$ is set to kill off as much as humanly possible. THAT is there company philosophy. when/if you ever get the chance to deal with the die hard m$ fan executive there... you will know EXACTLY what i am talking about.
and i have a feeling that is also what is affecting the 360. the xbox was pushed out to test the waters... see what can happen. it was a huge success. this time around, more and more became involved including gates and ballmer. they have the touch of death. thats why this time around... 3rd parties have enormous licensing fees before they are allowed to produce a product for the system. thats why this time around, games have much more stringent requirements and an entire system of checks before they are allowed. its absolutely insane.
you can take it for face value all you wish. if you choose not to believe it... fine by me. but trust me... m$ and sony are extremely similar in those regards... one just does it on a MUCH bigger scale, and hides it very very well. at least with sony.. its right out in the open. you knew when you were buying a minidisc, that it was a proprietary media and you were only going to be dealing with sony. m$ sneaks it in... and you dont know it til its too late and you've already made your purchase.
and since when did it make the most business sense to program for windows???? man... quite the opposite. maybe in the cookie cutter world you live in... but where im from... mcse jerkoffs run tech support.
i wont get into the windows aspects of this though. i could go on for hours and hours, and its irrelevant to this convo.
CrAzY American12 @ Apr 1st 2006 9:30PM
"Funny how Microsoft forgets that they copied everything the PS2 had planned to do: DVD drive, hard drive (ps2 had the slot ready), online play, etc."
Yeah, MS copied Sony's excellent model on online play of Playstation Online as well as their included HDD. ANd what did you want MS to use? a cartridge?
Brilliant argument
Geof @ Apr 1st 2006 9:43PM
boots, I love your immaturity. Calling other systems names is a great way to discuss something. How can you afford 30 games being like 8 years old?
Mommy and Daddy buy them? If you're not eight years old, grow up a little. I'm not sure how your IP isn't banned yet.
Microdot-
I think MS customer service is pretty good. Think about it...they fix your 360 for free. If you got a defective ps2 from the start, you had to pay 130 bucks for them to fix it-almost half of what you bought it for. Thankfully, I've never had any problems with any of my systems.
I'm not entirely sure what you ment in your post, as it confussed the hell out of me, but I tried my best to respond to what I think you were saying.
Microdot @ Apr 1st 2006 11:16PM
geof -
my 360... both time i called, i had to pay to send it in, and wait 3-4 weeks for it to be fixed and returned. i JUST purchased the system... i wasnt about to sit without it for weeks. the place i purchased it from, as i stated earlier, did me a favor and swapped it out for me. (i dont know if they werent supposed to due to company policy or m$ policy.. so i cant speculate there).
i did have an issue with my original ps2 when i purchased it. it was near the original release though... maybe thats the difference. i actually screwed it up though.... but it could have been attributed to the system. basically, i set it standing up... and it tipped over. afterwards, the tray wouldnt open every time. they sent me a prepaid ups box, and i shipped in into them. had it back in my hands roughly 10 days later... had it ever since.
im sure there are arguments on both sides of the coin. everyone has a different personal experience with each company... some good.. some bad. for me, sony has excelled well past m$ on that front. im sure its not the same for everyone though. coupled with my first hand experience with microsoft, and their company policies... i wont be dealing with them again anytime soon.
boots (former bd) @ Apr 2nd 2006 11:28AM
Yes Geof, "mommy" and "daddy" buy them; you know, because *that* matter to make an argument. A mature argument, my friend. Based on that validity, nothing I said before counts. *sigh*
Anyway, who cares? Read the title on this site. Who knows, you might be in the wrong one. Besides, if you can't detect a little irony or exaggeration on purpose in my post, then you should better not post and expose yourself.
Oh, and CrAzY AmErIcAn, despite the fact that you are a MS fanboy, yeah, I'll do you the favor and thell you: They copied the idea of online gaming on consoles (it wasn't pioneered by Microsoft), and they copied Sony's idea to put a Hard Drive in it (alright, they implemented it first, so? That doesn't mean they didn't copy the idea). Oh, and Microsoft could have used any other disc based media like the Dreamcast, Gamecube, or older consoles (you know, like they are doing right now), but they decided to copy Sony and put a DVD drive.
Everything else they made is a blatant copy. Now, go back to Xbox360fanboy and whine.
Geof @ Apr 2nd 2006 8:06PM
I've told you before boots, I am not a "fan" of any console, which aparantly you cannot claim. And even if I, or "CrAzY AmErIcAn" were "fanboys", I'm pretty sure I could still come to any website I fancied? EH?
I said earlier that this argument was stupid. Dan Choi is right in saying that every succesful console has taken something and improved upon it.
But then again, I don't expect you to realize this.
boots (former bd) @ Apr 3rd 2006 1:02AM
Ah Geof I don't care what you do with your time, I've told you before, I'm exaggerating (read: take it easy). Then again I don't expect you to realize this since you are still arguing.
CrAzY American12 @ Apr 3rd 2006 3:46PM
lol
Boots gives up the argument (read: get pwned by Geof)
Cage @ Apr 3rd 2006 7:43PM
Microdot = Sony employee?
Youre bringing out all the stops to support your franchise. Giving us info we dont need/want in an effort to out info us? Bottom line...for me to play a game similar to Halo 2 on the PS3 it is not going to be free. If you like we can make a side wager...I will give you my full name and address to send the money to and hopefully you would do the same. MS charge third parties to create for them but how is that bad to the customer? I would rather them charge programmers then make me buy their format. Stop the hate and just back on your 360. Might be the only next gen you see for the next year...
boots (former bd) @ Apr 4th 2006 2:14PM
"lol
Boots gives up the argument (read: get pwned by Geof)"
lol
"CrAzY AmErIcAn" is too stupid to realize that I'm not here to argue with anyone. When I challenged his useless comment about how relevant my maturity is (let alone my personal life), he appeared to have suddenly forgot about it; or maybe he realized (too late, and not without my explanation) that it was all a joke. Most astoundingly, he didn't make a counter-point, he simply criticized the way I was expressing myself, which ended up being worthless.
Then again, you do make a good point when you say... oh wait, I was reading my own argument. None of your points are good.
Go and play "crash and burn" with your 360, troll.
CrAzY American @ Apr 4th 2006 4:04PM
Its funny how when you say something, and someone shoves it back in you face, you say the same thing time and time again: "I was just joking." "Couldn't you tell I saw just being a silly little goose with my sarcasm?? I'm so cute, he he"
No one is buying your bull.
And I will play my 360 until the ps3 and revo come out. Then I just may play my newley bought ps3/revo. Whos to say? I'm a risk taker.
boots (former bd) @ Apr 5th 2006 12:55AM
"Its funny how when you say something, and someone shoves it back in you face, you say the same thing time and time again: "I was just joking." "Couldn't you tell I saw just being a silly little goose with my sarcasm?? I'm so cute, he he"
No one is buying your bull.
And I will play my 360 until the ps3 and revo come out. Then I just may play my newley bought ps3/revo. Whos to say? I'm a risk taker"
It's hilarious how you think I retracted any of my comments, without really understanding the whole argument to begin with; you fanboys take things so damned seriously, it's too funny.
So not only are you not talking about anything I mentioned, you resort to criticism on my style, which is as respectable as your style (or lack thereof), ending in useless comments.
Funnier even how you think people "shove it" on me when not only do they not say anything useful, but they end up abandoning their original argument (or lack of it) when they are challenged. Trolling anyone?
So tell me, what bull? It seems that almost everyone in this site agrees on the point I'm making (on the fact that Microsoft has copied almost everything), as almost everyone made it.
Oh, and do you not know what exaggeration on purpose is? Why would I be "serious" about stupid bullshit that easily irritable fanboys hate, if i'm not actually joking, as you say? You might be a risk taker, as you just did by spewing your nonsense, but I think we can all conclude now, without taking as many risks as you, that you are... hell, I don't want to insult you, let's say you've exposed yourself enough. lol
Send me a telegram when the beta test is over and the good games come out, so I can buy one 360 for myself (No, I'm sick and tired of WW2 and SCIFI shooters, tell me when a good japanese game comes out, not that crock called DOA4 which has nothing original on it; oblivion is too expensive for what it's worth, so maybe when it's 20 dollars and I have a 360 with a must own game already).
By then probably PS3 and Revo will be out with a good roaster of games, and 360 will cost what it's worth (read: not a damned thing). Meanwhile, I'm going to enjoy some better-than-360-lookin' current gen games on Gamecube or PS2 (Like RE4 and God of War), but more importantly, that have a much wider array of RPGs, let alone better gameplay in general.
CrAzY American12 @ Apr 5th 2006 4:08PM
That was a usefull rant.
Guess to call someone a "fanboy", you gotta be one.
Buy the way, Oblivion is the best single player game I have ever played. If you weren't biased enought against any other console, then you might realize this.
You talk of originality, ES series is the creator of open ended RPG's. Sounds pretty original to me. RE 4 and God of War are both great games, but I prefer Oblivion.
You should shove your biast, "by brand is better then your brand" attitude up your a$$ long enough to reaslize that just because a game didn't come out on the system you rape every night, doesn't mean its not good.
boots (former bd) @ Apr 5th 2006 11:02PM
I didn't say Oblivion is not a good game. It just isn't my type of game. One of my friends own it, and says it wasn't worth the full price, and said it's worth an 80 out of 100, not a 94 out of 100 (Source: Metacritic).
Now, why should I base my judgement on the game on his review? Simple, because as I said, it isn't my type of game. I was thinking it would have been the reason for getting a 360, but I rather wait in order not to be disappointed. Paying less than full price will make up for the fact that I may not like the game. Why rush out to buy a system anyway? Dead rising is coming out in september, and so is Blue dragon I think; two months later, PS3 comes out, so waiting for the holiday deals will probably be worth it.
Your argument on originality about how "ES" invented open-ended RPGs is flawed. Just because it invented the genre (a while ago) it doesn't mean this one is original. On the other hand, RE4 is a reinvention of Resident Evil (Gameplaywise, and even storylinewise), while God of War is a new franchise itself.
You call me biased for liking games on the consoles I like (or for disregarding games I'm not so interested in), but you say Oblivion is "The best single player game I've ever played", which would make you easily satisfiable at best, and biased at worst. So if it is really the best single player experience, what about all those glitches found in the game? What about those constant loading times in the middle of the game? And if it's the best, then why not get the PC version instead? They say it has a lot less loading times and better graphics; but that's only what I've read from reviews.
And yes, I'm a Sony/Nintendo fanboy, but at least I admit it. And that doesn't mean I'm not getting a 360, that just means I'm reluctant to.
CrAzY American12 @ Apr 5th 2006 11:48PM
No, I have not once called you a fanboy.
What would make you biased isn't "for liking games on the consoles I like", but rather down talking games and other systems. We all realize PS3 is the console you adore, along with the revo aparently. But that doesn't by any means makes the 360 an unworthy gaming console.
You know whats funny? I can recall when the xbox first came out. I was just like you. Hated the shit out of it. Everything was stupid. The HDD, the user interface, the dashboard, the controller, xbox live, the break away controllers, games, etc. I adored my ps2, much as you do now.
Once I realized you don't have to be a prick and hate other consoles, I've come to have a place under my tv for the xbox along with my ps2.
I am not saying that you cannot and should not have a favorite console, because that isn't true. There will always be favorites. Last generation, I would have to say the xbox saw most of my time because of xbox live. Halo 2, Ghost Recon 3, and Splinter Cell saw most of my time. On the ps2, it was Socom 3. Before that, it was the N64. This up-and-comming gen, its open to anyone. But to talk absolute crap about a console you don't even own bewilders me.
Blue Dragon does come out in Fall, and I that is one game I certainly am looking forward to. Dead Rising I'm not. Gears of War, Too Human, and Mass effect will all have my attention for the 360. If Sony can make Warhawk and Killzone look and play as good as those videos, then the ps3 very likely could take up my attention.
Ty @ Jun 8th 2006 8:27AM
Microsoft thinks they can pat Sony on the back for online out of the box. Fair game.
In the end what does this mean? Microsoft is taking the miyamoto stance on feature "thievery".
Cage thinks everyone should by other consoles (I guess 360 mainly) instead of PS3 because PS3 has some "stolen" features.
Cage doesn't realise what the PS3. Has to offer over these consoles and how that is multiplied by online play. Sure you have Full Auto for 360Live. And for PS3 online? Full Auto 2. Trend? The latter will take the cake. Is unprosecutable thievery worthless or as pointless as prosecutable thievery?
I'll humor those who say yes:
PS3. For those with 'balls' (genitalia for political correctness. Games are for guys and gurls ;(