Sony sets up its E-Distribution Initiative
by Adams Briscoe 
{ Apr 18th 2006 at 12:30PM }
We've only heard about this type of thing a million
other times, but now Sony is calling all developers in a bold move to scope out potential products that could be
digitally distributed via their new online platform in the future. Their "EDI," or E-Distribution Initiative,
aims to give companies a chance to submit their contact information to Sony for a chance to foster a partnership.What kind of partnership, you ask? From the site: "Partnerships resulting from EDI will allow the developers' downloadable games to be published for individual purchase or subscription over SCE's direct distribution methods." So the first thing that's going to jump out at you is the PS3's online strategy. This open system could be incredibly innovative for smaller independent developers that may even be able to use this EDI to get their games out there. It would be an incredible feature to have access to hundreds of independent games.
Of course, this could also be a really great way to recruit some talent for the PSP as well (everyone knows it needs it!).
[Thanks for the tips!]
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Jim N @ Apr 18th 2006 1:19PM
I agree this will foster some independent gaming shops to get a start.
But I also think this is going to open the flood gates of porn related games to flow onto the consoles.
SuicideNinja @ Apr 18th 2006 2:47PM
It is already working for independent gaming shops with XBLA. Microsoft offers dev kits to them reasonably. Geometry Wars and Marble Blast Ultra are good examples.
I'm curious to see how well Sony can handle such a thing.
As for the first comment...I really hope Sony has some type of verification/approval process before publishing "any" title.
The Guru @ Apr 18th 2006 3:54PM
wait, whats that???
Another copied feature?!? Doens't MS do something similar to this with XBL Arcade? Oh its not similar, its the exact same thing.
I wish Sony could think for themselves for once.
smellslikepie @ Apr 18th 2006 4:25PM
@ The Guru.
Grow up, please! Do you know how hard it is to be innovative? Just be happy that Sony is offering their customers the quality that we are getting with our 360's.
And even then, even though i admit i am somewhat an Xbox fanboy, MS hasn't been all that ground breaking anyway. The same thing that you get with the 360 has already been delivered on P.C. As much as it pains me to say this, it is quite obvious that Nintendo are the greatest innovators, just look at their history.
Even though I am not getting a PS3, I am content with my 360 and may consider Revolution (low price), I am happy that they are giving independent companies a chance.
MiThRaZoR @ Apr 18th 2006 4:40PM
MS being innovatine? LOL!! You crack me up... If you can, name me one thing that MS innovated...
Nintendo innovated the most. Too much to count.
As a Sony fanboy, Sony only has one point, but I'm not sure. The only one I know is the EyeToy.
Microdot @ Apr 18th 2006 5:21PM
someones scared that sony will be doing it better, thus making him feel that much worse about his decision in consoles.
or maybe he's just a crybaby.
hard to tell.
m1k3y @ Apr 18th 2006 5:23PM
lol yeah guru, if sony didn't include it, i can see you crying about how sony didn't add the same feature...soo yeah hush
altodarknight @ Apr 18th 2006 7:18PM
Xbox live arcade anyone...
SuicideNinja @ Apr 18th 2006 7:37PM
Hold on, Microdot, think about this for a minute.
Besides getting the better exclusives and providing ridiculous unmerited hype, what exactly has the Sony done better than Microsoft? Can you enlighten us?
I don't know about you, but playing the PS2 is painful to me (physically and visually), especially when I have the other systems available to play.
As far as the PS3, we can only speculate because Sony hasn't provided the actual product yet. They could easily pull another PS2 disappointment on us...because we'll buy it anyway.
It's hard to be "scared" of Sony doing something "better" than Microsoft or Nintendo at this point. What I'm scared of is them pulling the same crap that they did with the PS2 hardware and peripherals.
I'm very interested in how the PS3 will work and how useful it will be. The proposed feature set sounds awesome, but I'm interested in what features actually make the cut and will be useful. The result determines how long I can wait before buying it. I figure after a lackluster PS2 and PSP that the PS3 will make up for the other two system's blunders. But after the crap they pulled with the PS2 (weak "Emotion Engine", unsupported hard drive, lack of online features, Disc Read Error for 12 versions of the console, useless Linux, etc), I tread VERY carefully.
sony fanboy who saw the light @ Apr 18th 2006 8:31PM
wait.....i thought it was the xbox 1.5......so why is sony following in microsoft foot steps and offering every service micro has to offer......ow wait, i know! Maybe its cause sony realizes that real gamers dont give a fuck about blue ray and unless they deliver a good machine with good games and great online then gamers might just not wait around to be dissapointed yet again this generation. I enjoy rpg's like the next guy but there same formula story lines are starting to get old....oh and before i forget, sony you suck !!!!!!
Apollo @ Apr 18th 2006 11:14PM
Honestly... you guys just keep whining about how Sony doesnt have XBL, and then when Sony finally says they are going to have an online service you bash it because XBL was there first. Who freaking cares? Nintendo made the rumble pack, but do we see everyone kicking and screaming because all controllers now feature a rumble? If anything this is going to be good for you XBL lovers. It'll put pressure on Microsoft to be more innovative, to create more to separate themselves from Sony. Stop whining and realize its going to help you not hurt you.
The Guru @ Apr 18th 2006 11:27PM
You people say this will push for MS to be more innovative, but how can they be if Sony will just come right behind them and copy everything??
And just so you know, your rumple pack example is horrible, Apollo
I agree with 'Sony fanboy who say the light'. Why would Sony copy something thats 'inferior' to their super computer that plays games on the side?? Supposedly the 360 is only going for the ps2, yet the ps3 takes so many features from the 360.
My guess is thats why Sony delayed the lauch. Needed more time to see what MS did so they can copy it.
boots (former bd) @ Oct 23rd 2006 5:28PM
Well, many innovations by Sony are on hardware technology. Microsoft can't exactly follow on that, so they have to rely on others, and on software tech innovation. Then again, after LIVE what comes next? Who knows, but I don't believe in Microsoft being innovative other than making their console resemble a PC (by adding a hard drive, which was great; too bad they didn't follow their own addition), and LIVE. What's next?
Sony doubled the analog stick that N64 brought because they saw that you needed one analog for pointing/moving the cam and one for moving on 3D environments. They also saw that it was better to integrate rumble directly instead of as an add-on. Movie playback. Better and cheaper storage subsequently (not the first console to use optical media, but they did invent CD and introduced DVD to consoles). Backwards compatibility. Industry growth/maturity. Record break on sales twice. You can't discredit Sony as they've done most things right.
Microsoft simply made a turbo-PS2 with a hard drive which wasn't used a lot and brought patches, and every other innovation brought by Sega, Sony and Nintendo. Only they brought LIVE which was "great", but now that Sony and Nintendo both appear to have decent online gaming services and cheaper, what will 360 have to counter?
Of course, everything else will be the games, but me and others want to see new input methods like the revolution, or better hardware that doesn't just mean "better graphics", but rather, more storage, better AI, better physics, etcetera.
SuicideNinja @ Apr 19th 2006 11:25AM
"Record break on sales twice. You can't discredit Sony as they've done most things right.
Microsoft simply made a turbo-PS2 with a hard drive which wasn't used a lot and brought patches, and every other innovation brought by Sega, Sony and Nintendo. Only they brought LIVE which was "great", but now that Sony and Nintendo both appear to have decent online gaming services and cheaper, what will 360 have to counter?"
I have to disagree. The PS2 doesn't break record sales because it has outstanding hardware (basically no hard drive support, crappy online service, floppy analog sticks, shoddy DVD lasers, crappy DVD playback). The other two consoles are more robust and higher quality (controllers, disc drives, speed). The PS2 was popular mainly because of the exclusive games. If those games were available for the other systems...I don't think Sony would have kept its domination. To me, the Xbox was everything Sony promised in the PS2 hardware but didn't deliver. When I finally got an Xbox, I was pissed that I stood by Sony for so long because the system just provided a better experience for the games available. Same with the Gamecube. But most people stick with one console, so they'll never know the joys of the alternative offerings.
The "turbo-PS2" comment really gets me. The Xbox is capable of more than just speed improvements. Compare the multiplatform games...the Xbox just makes the PS2 versions look unacceptable (I still cringe at NFS:MW on the PS2). System link is never really seen on the PS2 either. Plus it already supported HD!
As far as Live, just because Nintendo and Sony say they'll have online services doesn't really mean they will compare in quality. So far, Sony's "online service" sounds exactly like the shoddy PS2 one with added friends list and chatting...performance doesn't sound like it will be any better. Since the services will be free, it's probably safe to assume that even more people will be annoying on them, and when mods come around, they will be uncontrollable.
I give praise to Nintendo because the WiFi service for the DS is great albeit occassionally aggravating. It's good enough for free and for a portable, but I don't think it would be acceptable for console gaming. I'm hoping the Revolution adds some good features to the service.
ozymandias @ Apr 19th 2006 1:14PM
i usually dont comment on the fanyboy blogs even though I read them as much as the main site but...
"Sony doubled the analog stick that N64 brought because they saw that you needed one analog for pointing/moving the cam and one for moving on 3D environments. They also saw that it was better to integrate rumble directly instead of as an add-on. Movie playback. Better and cheaper storage subsequently (not the first console to use optical media, but they did invent CD and introduced DVD to consoles). Backwards compatibility. Industry growth/maturity. Record break on sales twice. You can't discredit Sony as they've done most things right."
1. the 3d0 came 3 full years ahead of the playstation and it played music cds, video cds , and was the first 3d console. turbo duo, atari jaguar, sega saturn, and sega cd all used optical media before sony.
2. the dual analog controllers were, sorry... are uncomfortable, and for the fist half of the dual shocks life wasnt utilized by many games. you are however right about them making rumble a standard feature.
by the way using your logic the playstation was simply a 3d0 with a snes gamepad. no better no worse. at least the xbox was Better than the console it "copied" and made IMPORTANT improvements to console design.
Fan @ Apr 19th 2006 1:18PM
Why does every post on this site turn into a xbox vs ps war?
Will you say that Microsoft is ripping of Sony when Microsoft starts to offer movie and music downloads on the xbox?
The Ps3 will be better. Why? This is why:
Better games
More games
More power
Harddisk
Backwards compatability
Free online play
Music downloading
Game downloading
Movie downloading
HD Movies
Web browser
DVR
Direct TV
Bluetooth
Video chat
Watch TV while you play a game(multiple channels on tv)
List Of Sony PS3 Games
0-9
* 2 Days to Vegas - Steel Monkeys *
* 6GUN II - BattleBorne Entertainment *
A
* Alan Wake - Remedy Entertaiment *
* Alone in the Dark - Atari *
* Angel Rings (tentative name) - SCEI FP
* Avalon - Climax
* Akira Kurosawa's Oni - Koei
* Armored Core 4 - From Software *
B
* Broken Saints - Gnosis *
* Black Blade - From Software
* Bladestorm - Omega Force/Koei
* Brothers in Arms 3 - Ubisoft
C
* Clown Combat - Eagle Claw
D
* The Darkness - Majesco/StarBreeze *
* Dark Sector - Digital Extremes *
* Dark RPG - From Software
* Data-Fly - Origo Gaming Entertainment *
* Def Jam 3 (working title) - EA Games *
* Demonik - Terminal Reality *
* Devil May Cry 4 - Capcom
* Diabolique: License to Sin - Metropolis Soft.
* Driver 5 - Atari
* Dynasty Warriors - Koei
* Dirty Harry (working title) - Warner Bros. IE *
E
* Elveon - 10tacle Studios *
* Endless Saga - Webzen
* Eyedentify - SCEI FP
* The Eye of Judgment (tentative name) - SCEI FP
* Extreme (tentative name) - Taito
F
* Fatal Inertia - Koei
* Fear & Respect - Midway *
* FIFA 06 - EA Sports *
* Fight Night Round 3 - EA Sports
* Fifth Phantom Saga - Sega
* Final Fantasy XIII - Square Enix
* Formula One - Studio Liverpool FP
G
* Genji 2 - SCEI FP
* The Getaway 3 (working title) - Team SOHO
* The Godfather: The Game - EA Games *
* Gradius VI - Konami
* Grand Raid Offroad - Asobo Studios *
* Grand Theft Auto IV - Rockstar Games
* Gundam World - Namco
H
* Heavenly Sword - SCEE
I
* I-8 (Untitled) - Insomniac (SCEA)
* Infraworld - Quantic Dream
J
* John McTiernan Game (Untitled) - Ubisoft
K
* Killing Day - Ubisoft *
* Killzone 2 - Guerrilla Games
* King Kong - Ubisoft *
* King of Fighters: Maximum Impact 3 - SNK Playmore *
L
* L.A. Noire - Team Bondi
* Lair - Factor 5 FP
M
* Madden NFL 2006 - EA Sports *
* Makai Wars - Nippon-ichi Software
* Medal of Honor: Airborne - EA
* Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots - Konami
* Metronome - Team Tarsier *
* Mobile Suit Gundam - Bandai *
* Monster Carnival (tentative name) - SCEI FP
* MotorStorm - SCEE FP
N
* NBA Live 06 - EA Sports *
* NBA2K6 - 2K Sports *
* Need for Speed (New Generation Project) - Electronic Arts
* Notcom Racing - ForwardGames *
* NioH - Koei
O
* Old West Game (Untitled) - Rockstar Games
* Omikron 2 - Quantic Dream
P
* Possession - Blitz Games *
* Pro Mahjong Final (tentative name) - Athena
* Project Assassin - Ubisoft
* Project D - Michaelsoft
* Project Delta - Playlogic International *
* Project Embrace - Origo Gaming Entertainment *
* Project Extreme - Taito
* Project Force - From Software
* Project Psychic - Taito
* Psychopath - Titan Productions *
Q
R
* Rengoku: The End of the Century - Hudson
* Resident Evil 5 - Capcom *
S
* Scarface: The World is Yours - Vivendi Universal *
* Secret Service - Tigon *
* Section 8 - TimeGate
* Seikan (tentative name) - Astroll
* ShadowClan - Tiger Hill
* Shin Megami Tensei - Atlus
* Shin Ten Makai VI (tentative name) - Idea Factory
* Silent Hill 5 - Konami
* Sonic the Hedgehog - Sega *
* Spider-Man 3 - Activision
* Stranglehold - Tiger Hill *
* Stuntman 2 - Reflection
* Super Robot - Banpresto
T
* Tekken 6 (working title) - Namco
* Test Drive Unlimited - Eden Studios *
* Theseis - Track7 Games *
* The Punisher - THQ
* Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon 3 - Ubisoft *
* Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell 4 - Ubisoft *
* Tony Hawk's American Wasteland - Activision *
* Tracer - Gaia Industries
* True Crime 2: Streets of Hong Kong - Luxoflux
U
* Unreal Tournament 2007 - Epic Games
V
* Vision Gran Turismo - Polyphony Digital FP
W
* WarDevil - Unleash the Best Within - Digi-Guys *
* Warhawk - Incognito FP
* Way of the Samurai 3 (tentative name) - Spike
* Winning Eleven - Konami *
* The World of Mana - Square Enix
Y
Z
Legend
A "*" after the game denotes that it is found on other gaming consoles.
A "FP" after the game denotes that it is first party or second party
And these games will be played on a machine with these specs:
Cell Processor
PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
1 VMX vector unit pc (per core)
512KB L2 cache
7 x SPE at 3.2GHz
7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs
7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE
* 1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy
total floating point performance: 218 GFLOPS
GPU
RSX @550MHz
1.8 TFLOPS floating point performance
Full HD (up to 1080p) x 2 channels
Multi-way programmable parallel floating point shader pipelines
Sound
Dolby 5.1ch, DTS, LPCM, etc. (Cell- base processing)
Memory
256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz 256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz
System Bandwidth
Main RAM 25.6GB/s
VRAM 22.4GB/s
RSX 20GB/s (write) + 15GB/s (read)
SB< 2.5GB/s (write) + 2.5GB/s (read)
System Floating Point Performance
2 TFLOPS
Storage
Detachable 2.5" HDD slot x 1
I/O
USB Front x 4, Rear x 2 (USB2.0)
Memory Stick standard/Duo, PRO x 1
SD standard/mini x 1
CompactFlash (Type I, II) x 1
Communication
Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T) x 3 (input x 1 + output x 2)
Wi-Fi IEEE 802.11 b/g
Bluetooth 2.0 (EDR)
Controller
Bluetooth (up to 7)
USB 2.0 (wired)
Wi-Fi (PSP)
Network (over IP)
AV Output
Screen size: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
HDMI: HDMI out x 2
Analog: AV MULTI OUT x 1
Digital audio: DIGITAL OUT (OPTICAL) x 1
Disc Media
CD PlayStation CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 CD-ROM, CD-DA,
CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW, SACD, SACD Hybrid (CD layer),
SACD HD, DualDisc, DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)
DVD: PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PlayStation 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video,
DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW
Blu-ray Disc: PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE
Xbox 360? lol please.... At least the Rev is worth a purchase.
Jim N @ Apr 19th 2006 2:12PM
by boots, I agree with you that Sony has brought some great things to the gaming world. One huge concept was that consoles should be backwards compatible. This in my mind has always been a huge point of aggravation having to keep three or four consoles around just so I can play legacy games. The double analog stick was a huge jump forward (to bad they forgot that one for the PSP). But to compare Nintendos WiFi, and Sonys alleged online service to a here and now is kind of unfair. When Nintendo and Sony actually have their online service up and running it will be time to make comparisons but right now I think we all need to accept that Microsoft is leading the market in Online gaming. Second I am not sure why people keep on blasting Microsoft for charging for Xbox Live and praising Sony for free online service. Xbox Live Silver package is free for those who buy an Xbox 360, you get basic friends lists and game play. If you want to bump up and get some extra features you pay. Sony has only ever said that their basic online service will be free, not all featured all access pass is free.
by fan, You have posted allot of great theories, but right now that is all that is all your comments are is theories. Nothing in your post is concrete, nothing is tangible. When the PS3 comes out maybe your comments will in fact be facts, but right now all we have is a lot of hot air and promises from Sony, and in the past Sonys promises are not exactly reliable.
Microdot @ Apr 19th 2006 2:37PM
"I think we all need to accept that Microsoft is leading the market in Online gaming."
really? being #3 is "leading the market"? or maybe you forgot about blizzard in general... wow, etc.
silly people and their idiotic assumptions.
Paresh @ Apr 19th 2006 3:33PM
Anyone remember that movie, Stealth? (Sony Pictures ironically)
The plane on there had a robot brain nicknamed EDI. It was so powerful it downloads every song of the internet and then disobeyed its owners because its coding made it have a mind of its own.
This PS3 WILL take over the world. Metaphorically and LITERALLY.
you have been warned.
ozymandias @ Apr 19th 2006 5:18PM
fan:
you do realize that microsoft has already began making deals with direct to allow a 360 based iptv service for television shows and movies?
also most of your ps3 rumors (direct tv, music service, movie download servic, etc.) have already been confirmed for the 360. the same can be said about you list of games.
http://money.cnn.com/2006/01/04/technology/ces_gates/
and since you threw in your fair share of bs speculation here is mine: the article above make a reference to a new chip called the viiv that allows you to run various entertainment applications as well as record, pause and rewind and fast-forward through video. the 360 has a chip on its mother board that microsoft has been very tight lipped about. could that be the viiv.
whats really sad is that even though im a xbox fanboy i still like the revo and ps3 and I really dont think that any of the 3 consoles will be better than the next one. Sony is going to sell the most for sure. but when the hype is over, nintendo will have a kiddy game that you can live without, microsoft will have its killer fps and ps3 will have 20 million jrpgs. and the fanboys wouldnt have it any other way
The Guru @ Apr 19th 2006 6:32PM
Fan
Impressive copy and pasting skills.
How does this have to do with Sony copying everything they possibly can, even the design of a george forman grill and spider man writing??
boots (former bd) @ Apr 19th 2006 11:31PM
"I have to disagree. The PS2 doesn't break record sales because it has outstanding hardware (basically no hard drive support, crappy online service, floppy analog sticks, shoddy DVD lasers, crappy DVD playback)."
I never said that. I said they broke records, period. PS2 was outstanding because it was first DVD on the market. "Crappy DVD playback"? Every DVD player plays the same way to me. No hard drive support? On Xbox, It was only useful for patches on incomplete games and for the few people that really dislike game music. Xbox also had crappy DVD lasers. Thompson anyone? The ratio of failure (on lasers) is about the same. And let's not start with the possibility of many Xboxes (up to 70%)catching fire. Xbox 1 is the hardware with most failures ever built... having them replaced more often than the few PS2s that got disc read errors is another story, that's about costumer service, not quality of the product. Why even criticize the analog sticks on PS2 when both controllers on Xbox were crap? That's why it got redesigned once for Xbox, and again for 360, remember? Why are you visiting "PS3 fanboy" anyway?
"The other two consoles are more robust and higher quality (controllers, disc drives, speed)."
If PS2 was really *that* crappy, it would have seen a serious backlash (you know, lack of sales; oh yeah, both the cube and xbox beat ps2 in sales numbers right?).
" The PS2 was popular mainly because of the exclusive games. If those games were available for the other systems...I don't think Sony would have kept its domination."
Good job, Sherlock. You've discovered the obvious. That pretty much applies to *any* system, no need to say the obvious.
" To me, the Xbox was everything Sony promised in the PS2 hardware but didn't deliver."
If you are talking about "graphics", Xbox 1 came more than 18 months after PS2 came out. PS2 came out in early Spring in Japan, while Xbox 1 came out in november in the states. You can't ask much. I thought you said the games are the thing that counted?
" When I finally got an Xbox, I was pissed that I stood by Sony for so long because the system just provided a better experience for the games available."
Or lack thereof? Most games on Xbox 1 when it first came out were crap, so how can you call that a "better experience"? You are trying to pass your opinion as facts here. I've played several cross platform games, and seriously, the PS2 controller is way... WAY better than the Xbox controller. I couldn't care less about marginally better graphics if the controller is crap. And I'm talking about the S-controller, not the Dukey.
" Same with the Gamecube. But most people stick with one console, so they'll never know the joys of the alternative offerings."
Most people that got PS2 were happy with the exclusive games it offered, thank you very much for worrying. Oh, and I had a Gamecube too, and while I liked its intuitive controller design, it seemed to lack a button (why was it so hard for nintendo to add a *second* Z-trigger? were they stupid or what?). At least the gamecube had some of what Xbox lacked: Games.
"The "turbo-PS2" comment really gets me. The Xbox is capable of more than just speed improvements. Compare the multiplatform games...the Xbox just makes the PS2 versions look unacceptable (I still cringe at NFS:MW on the PS2). System link is never really seen on the PS2 either. Plus it already supported HD!"
Let me refresh your memory for a second time. PS2 even delivered 1080X1920 resolution, something Xbox never did. And it delivered it on one of the most graphically impressive games this generation: GT4. 'Nuff said. Unacceptable? Come on. The graphics are marginally better. If the difference was the same as the one between MGS4 and Gears of War (too much detail versus some detail omission), I'd throw you a bone here, but the difference were simply "barely distinguishable faces on football players, versus barely distinguishable blurried faces". The difference was marginal.
Considering that PS2 had a negligible GPU, and that its graphics were comparable even though it came 18 months before, I wouldn't call the emotion engine "weak" pall. God of War, Shadow of the Colossus, God Hand, Resident Evil 4... yeah, "TH3 WEAK!". You were satisfied by a marginal increase in graphics. Could you be any more biased, please?
"As far as Live, just because Nintendo and Sony say they'll have online services doesn't really mean they will compare in quality. So far, Sony's "online service" sounds exactly like the shoddy PS2 one with added friends list and chatting...performance doesn't sound like it will be any better."
It doesn't need to be better (or equal) if Xbox LIVE costs. As long as it is comparable and free for gaming, that's enough. Nintendo's DS service is *very* acceptable; more than acceptable in fact. Sony also announced that their service would be centralized; not only that, but Microsoft even felt "flattered". You can stop thinking like a fanboy and assume things will be much better than on PS2. Oh, and for the record, I'm unimpressed by LIVE considering it costs that much for playing a game you already bought.
" Since the services will be free, it's probably safe to assume that even more people will be annoying on them, and when mods come around, they will be uncontrollable."
It's not safe to assume anything. You can't assume anything since you don't even know the product. Your comments are simply stemming from ignorance. Fucking incredible.
"I give praise to Nintendo because the WiFi service for the DS is great albeit occassionally aggravating. It's good enough for free and for a portable, but I don't think it would be acceptable for console gaming. I'm hoping the Revolution adds some good features to the service."
Yeah, whatever you say man. Everything you said was a scream of "I AM A FANBOY. I AM AN XBOX FANBOY AND I LOVE XBOX LOLZORS. SONY IS CRAP. T3H WEEK EMOTION ENGINE LOLZ". Go drool on your halo 3 fantasies.
boots (former bd) @ Apr 19th 2006 11:36PM
Check that... I meant to say the first DVD console on the market. It was also the first backwards compatible home console (or at least the first after the market crashed).
Oh, and since we are all about opinions, Suicide Ninja, Xbox was utter crap. No games, crappy controller, buggy software, shitty Thompson drives, it caused fires, and the hard drive sometimes failed. Yeah, "LONG LIVE XBOX", my ass. POS. Much worse than a PSP.
The Guru @ Apr 20th 2006 12:01AM
I thought it was POS3?
Xbox didn't have nearly as many problems as the playstation did. And if you had a problem with the ps2, then Sony bent you over and F***** you from behind while taking another 130 bucks to fix the shitty drive they gave you.
At least MS fixes what little prombles the xbox had as well as the 360. Don't you look forward to possibly having to pay 425+ dollars and then more to have them fix it? I know I do.
boots, your an idiot to say the least. WOW has 6 million+ subscribers. Goes to show people are willing to pay. 50 bucks is awsome, and I gladly pay that charge for I get. Halo 2's online interface is so amazing, I don't know why others haven't used it.
"Your comments are simply stemming from ignorance. Fucking incredible."
And because the pos3 is out already and you know so much bout it, what are your comments comming from?! Knowlegde?? Unbiased critisism?? I think not. That is
'Fucking incredible'
boots (former bd) @ Apr 20th 2006 12:25AM
"box didn't have nearly as many problems as the playstation did. And if you had a problem with the ps2, then Sony bent you over and F***** you from behind while taking another 130 bucks to fix the shitty drive they gave you. "
Having to replace a part on 70% of Xboxes, plus having a ton of shitty thompson drives is a lot more problems than PS2. I think somebody else here doesn't know elementary school math yet tells me I'm an idiot.
"At least MS fixes what little prombles the xbox had as well as the 360. Don't you look forward to possibly having to pay 425+ dollars and then more to have them fix it? I know I do. "
I'm not. I've never had to replace any of my consoles because I do know how to take care of them. If you had to replace any of your consoles, you must be a moron. I find it hilarious when people come to sites like this and say "IVE OWND FIVE PLAYSTATIONS LOLZ!" because they just make themselves look retarded. How can you possibly screw up 5 consoles? Seriously.
"boots, your an idiot to say the least. WOW has 6 million+ subscribers. Goes to show people are willing to pay. 50 bucks is awsome, and I gladly pay that charge for I get. Halo 2's online interface is so amazing, I don't know why others haven't used it."
LOL. "Your an idiot". That sound like the typical "Your retarded". Anyway, to play online on PS2 you needed the adapter. How many people have their consoles next to their PC? Very few. That's part of the reason why shitbox got only 10% of owners online... and PS2 got even fewer because not only you needed a Network adapter (that is, it wasn't online out of the box), but you also needed to get close to a connection. If online was so important this generation, PS2 wouldn't have sold so well. Both would have fared much better if both were WiFi out of the box (but that would have been too expensive back then).
The DS doesn't have LIVE and its connectivity is flawless. That's why it has reached more than a million users so fast (also because WiFi is now more widespread). Microsoft made a mistake by not making their console WiFi out of the box, and it costs 100 bucks extra to do so. Revolution and PS3 will both be WiFi enabled, and free for gaming, according to official sources. Now that's next-gen. That sounds like they'll be getting online users really fast, much faster than Xbox LIVE. Or at least to me and many others, that will be very appealing for us to start connecting with consoles, instead of actually buying a 100 add-on (because I would need it anyway), plus a 60 dollars yearly payment.
"And because the pos3 is out already and you know so much bout it, what are your comments comming from?! Knowlegde?? Unbiased critisism?? I think not. That is
'Fucking incredible'"
HAHAHAHA! You are altered! I win! lol.
smellslikepie @ Apr 20th 2006 1:59AM
Riiight, Fan? Copying and pasting Hardware specifications proves nothing! and as for your other "writing" you've supplied no evidence, nor have you taken into account that the Xbox 360 does the same. Both machines are very very similar in hardware, but the PS3, overall, has the most 'power', whereas the Xbox360 has the best graphics. This isn't a fanboy statement... Google it, but even then you can't really judge it until the competition is actually released.
"The Ps3 will be better. Why? This is why:
Better games - You have no proof of this, you have a list of games, thy might not make it out on the PS3, they could be ported to the 360.
More games - Not true... At the moment the 360 has more games out than the PS3.
More power - Only slightly! The difference won't affect games all that much.
Harddisk - 360 has an upgradeable harddrive
Backwards compatability - as does the 360
Free online play - They are looking into bringing this to the 360 but with advertisement, and paying members have the opportunity to turn this feature off.
Music downloading - The 360 already has this, at the moment it's just with one record label so all we get is Natasha bedingfield but music is music.
Game downloading - We have that!
Movie downloading - Not really a necessity now is it? On a GAMING platform. But still, there is nothing at all stopping the Xbox 360 from doing this over the XBLM
HD Movies - with the release of the HD - DVD drive for the 360 coming later this year, we will have it. We already do ahve HD trailers
Web browser - through the Media Centre it is possible to have web browser. Along with many many other things
DVR - I can't comment on this because I don't know what DVR is :P
Direct TV - MS is bringing that to us, infact they signed a deal earlier this year apparently
Bluetooth - we have wireless
Video chat - release of the camera in may will allow very high quality video messaging and also supports high definition
Watch TV while you play a game(multiple channels on tv) - Now why on earth would you want to watch a TV when playing the game?"
As you can see the PS3 and the Xbox 360 will have around the same features and the same specs. And, for all you 360 fanboys out there, if you don't like the PS3, stop looking at a website called PS3FANBOY!
But really, you are all bickering like school children over the smallest differences.
Jim N @ Apr 20th 2006 8:30AM
Microdot, you are right I should have worded that better and stated "I think we all need to accept at this time, Microsoft is leading the market in Console based Online gaming."
But it would be interesting to see how LIVE stacks up to all of the PC based online services in terms of revenue.
me kizza @ Apr 20th 2006 9:32AM
Hey Xpox fangirls, I have these damning words for you.......6 billion loss on xbox1...... Now I'm assuming that a lot of that loss was due to high failure rates on machines & low sales on units. The 15yr old snes sold more than this. 60million I think (is that right bd). Thats a 3rd of a 15yr older piece of hardware... This is just one of the ways MS is trying to take our beloved hobby forward... Another example is how they have shortened console lifespans to just over 4yrs & dropped all in house support for their 6 billion shitbox1. In anyone but a fanboys eyes the xbox one was a failure on a grand proportion, from a business & gamers point of view & any other company that suffered this kind of loss would have been out due to bankruptcy. I love how MS fangirls answer is always "MS has plenty of money, more than sony & nintendo combined, so they'll outlast both".... Well, I would assume all these morons will never have a business of their own or get to run one with dumb arse philosphies like that. If MS lose equal to xbox1 on 360, I bet they won't be around for 720... In my opinion, MS look set to lose more than they did 1st up. They seem to have a higher failure rate than ever seen before, especially considering that with the low No. of launch consoles & all the shipping their & back at MS's warranty expense. I foresee MS dropping support for 360 after 3yrs once sony totally dominates their big, dumb american asses again.
The only way things could change is if sony do what nintendo did all those years ago, & scare off all the best (worst & everyone in between) 3rd party developers.
And thats not happening.
My 360 is a dust collector. No original or great games whatsoever. I actually started playing ratchet & clank 2 again the other day (finished pt 1) & realised why I prefer sony's consoles & lineup of games. Now MS fanhoes, heres the challenge. Name 1 platformer on xbox1 that compares to the visual, gameplay, sound & fun quality that the ratchet series delivers............. And thats not even mentioning jak & gang.
I can't wait to get my hands on PS3 ratchet.
Hey bd, what games will you get on launch with PS3?
fan2 @ Apr 20th 2006 9:42AM
Ok to put it simply,
The PS2 was made with no thought of competition so they put a few things together and made a good system. They told stories of great features but at the time Sony thought it was too soon to implement those features. Then Microsoft comes along a year later with all of Sony's hopes and dreams and makes a gaming system with them. Microsoft immediately has the upper hand in hardware because of the fast pace of technology these days. The Xbox was made for XBL, NOT the other way around! Don't forget Microsoft IS first and foremost a SOFTWARE company. They designed the Xbox around the idea of Xbox live. and they didn't have to try to hard because all the hardware that makes PS2 said 'online experience' except for one thing, a hard-drive, So they add the hard-drive, throw the current gen video card in the box, a current gen Intel chip, and they are done.
Sony started these ideas but decided not to put them in the PS2, at that time broadband was still scarce in private homes. They decided to wait until PS3. Now with XB360 and its normal hardware anyone can pick up at their local CompUSA, XBL has evolved just enough to keep people happy. Now PS3 comes with truly next-gen technology, truly next-gen games, and they finally get to add their dream of an interconnected game world with its online service and PSP connection abilities. It started with Sony don't forget that. So don't talk about Sony stealing Microsofts Xbox live idea, because Sony was thinking online gaming when Xbox was still in Bill Gates's womb.
Microdot @ Apr 20th 2006 11:04AM
@ guru.....
"Xbox didn't have nearly as many problems as the playstation did. And if you had a problem with the ps2, then Sony bent you over and F***** you from behind while taking another 130 bucks to fix the shitty drive they gave you. "
you mean like when i sent in my 360 for repair... and it was going to take 3-4 weeks. then i exchanged it, and had the same problems with drives and overheating as i did on the first one, at which point i got fed up and sold the piece of shit? yeah... thats a much better experience than... well... maybe getting slammed in the balls with a jackhammer.
anyone else notice the rash of used 360's popping up in local stores? there are 8 in my local gamestop currently.
Fan @ Apr 20th 2006 12:02PM
"Better games - You have no proof of this, you have a list of games, thy might not make it out on the PS3, they could be ported to the 360."
The list includes lots of titles that are multi platform. But i agree that saying beforehand that it will have better games is a little speculative.
"More power - Only slightly! The difference won't affect games all that much."
No. While the GPU in the PS3 is only sligthly more powerfull the CPU in the PS3 is much better than the Xenon. You will see much better physics and AI on the PS3 as the developers get more comfotable with the hardware.
"Harddisk - 360 has an upgradeable harddrive"
Please, you have to buy it sepparatly and its 100$ for a 20 gig with 13 gigs of space(7 gigs for BC) lol. What a rip off. All games can therefore not use the HDD. Why om earth Microsoft decided to downgrade the 360 from the first Xbox on this issue is beyond me.
"Backwards compatability - as does the 360"
The backward compatability(BC) is not standrard. You have to buy the harddisk to get it. And even then the list of games that work is short and bitter. Its a bogus feature and its a rip off.
"Free online play - They are looking into bringing this to the 360 but with advertisement, and paying members have the opportunity to turn this feature off."
Yes they are looking into it.... But its not there is it? Microsoft actually has the nerve to charge for a p2p service! They charge you to use youre own bandwidth to host games. Totall extreme rip off its really insulting.
"Music downloading - The 360 already has this, at the moment it's just with one record label so all we get is Natasha bedingfield but music is music."
yeah wow 1 whole record label... Enjoy it...
"Game downloading - We have that!"
No you dont.. Im talking full AAA game downloading.
"Movie downloading - Not really a necessity now is it? On a GAMING platform. But still, there is nothing at all stopping the Xbox 360 from doing this over the XBLM"
No not neccecary but still great. And the 360 still doesnt have it.
"HD Movies - with the release of the HD - DVD drive for the 360 coming later this year, we will have it. We already do ahve HD trailers"
Again a speculated ADD-ON. You have to pay extra to get it and its not even confirmed. Hence the 360 does not have it.
"Web browser - through the Media Centre it is possible to have web browser. Along with many many other things"
Yes through the media center... Wasnt eh 360 supposed to have media center functionality? They took this feature out to not cannabalise the mediacenter market. Again RIP OFF.
"DVR - I can't comment on this because I don't know what DVR is :P"
A DVR is a digital video recorder. Like a TiVo. Its what you get when you have a HDD and a Tv-Tuner.
"Bluetooth - we have wireless"
Yes but bluetooth is an open protocol. Meaning you can connect ANYTHING that uses bluetooth to the PS3. No more need for expensive branded hardware. Just buy a cheap unbranded bluetooth keyboard or mouse or headset or camera or anything really. Connect your mobilephone and use it to call with VOIP.
"Watch TV while you play a game(multiple channels on tv) - Now why on earth would you want to watch a TV when playing the game?"
Because its sexy.
And so i cant see that the xbox and the PS3 will be about the same. They are not even in the same league. Please face reality.
smellslikepie @ Apr 20th 2006 2:58PM
..it does have media centre functionality...
You're SERIOUSLY telling me you'll sit and wait hours for a game well over 9 Gigs? because apparently you need alot more than that, hence the BLu-ray disc!
... Ok then.. what record labels does the PS3 have
360 does come with a harddrive if you buy the premium version, which I did. And all games are allowed to support caching from the hard drive.
Alot of the things that you know about the PS3 are speculation. i'm not saying it isn't going to live up to those standards, but you have no HARD evidence. I wish people would realize that you can't compare a working product with an unreleased products specs. The difference in specs won't allow MUCH better physics and AI. And also, where is your proof, I'd like to know your knowledge on these things. Don't do the typical thing and say.. "Well, I'm a game developer for the PS3 and it Roxx0rz". I wish people would stop trying to prove that one is better than the other, when it is fairly obvious they're incredibly similar.
The Guru @ Apr 20th 2006 4:37PM
Ok, first off, shooting out random facts like 6 billion dollar loss isn't going to get you anywhere. It was 4 billion. Still alot of money, but just shows how stupid you really are.
Microdot-"you mean like when i sent in my 360 for repair"
YEAH...you expect anyone of us to believe you got a 360?!? I have a sixth sense and can tell when someone is bullshiting. The only person your fooling is yourself.
Fan2- "Sony started these ideas but decided not to put them in the PS2"
Could that statement be any stupider?? Anyone can think of anything and not do them, just as apparently you say sony did. Sony and Nintendo both said, and I quote "People do not want to play [their] games online". Yeah, it was really a genious idea.
Also you talk about full game downloading. Why would you need that when you have blu-ray? And wait, wasn't it MS that said digital distrobution will be the future?and this would be the last format war? Why, yes...I believe it was. So what your saying is blu-ray is useless b/c the ps3 will be able to dowload full games. Nice to have confermation that blu-ray is a waste from a pos3 fanboy as yourself.
Fan-"They are not even in the same league. Please face reality."
Right now, the ps3 is vapor ware. you face reality. Your dreams of gaming euphoria are going to drop you hard when you realze the ps3 isn't what Sony got you to believe it was with their fancy CGI videos. They did look perdy though.
Fan, I'm not entirely sure you put one thing write in your enitire rant. The ps3 cpu (cell) will be slightley more powerful than the 360 cpu (Xenon). Not to mention, that if this article is true, then 23% of the cpu power will be used for the OS!! So there goes what little advantage it had.
The 360 GPU will be much better and more effectient than the ps3 GPU. The ps3 GPU is slightely more powerful than an RSX. The 360 gpu will basically (in simple language for you people) do whatever the ps3 gpu can do and then some.
smellslikepie @ Apr 20th 2006 6:06PM
@ The Guru.
I love you. :P
The Guru @ Apr 20th 2006 8:42PM
hey, what can I say...I try. ;)
CrAzY American @ Apr 20th 2006 8:44PM
I can see The Guru has summed it all up very nicely. Really nothing left to say.
boots (former bd) @ Apr 20th 2006 10:08PM
Since the last three comments couldn't be more useless, I'll do the same and post this almost as useless comment.
The Guru @ Apr 20th 2006 11:30PM
Thats all you can do because you have no useful arguement. Every word you (boots), fan, and fan2 have said have been shoved back in your face so hard, your brains must be jarred, and thus, my friends, keeping you from having any counter-arugement at all.
I didn't expect any more. Thanks for comming through, yet again.
boots (former bd) @ Apr 21st 2006 3:08AM
Actually, everyone rebutted every single thing you babbled. You say our brains should be jarred, but you also say we don't have a "counter-arugement"... is that a word you learned after dropping out of high school? "Shoved in your face so hard..." I bet you are creaming your pants when you believe yourself. Dude, you are starting to sound like CrAzY AmErIcAn. Maybe you too are the same? Or are you just on equal intelectual grounds? Either way, your brain should be fed to rats, not jarred, as it isn't even useful for being studied.
"Fan, I'm not entirely sure you put one thing write in your enitire rant. The ps3 cpu (cell) will be slightley more powerful than the 360 cpu (Xenon). Not to mention, that if this article is true, then 23% of the cpu power will be used for the OS!! So there goes what little advantage it had.
Right now, the ps3 is vapor ware. you face reality. Your dreams of gaming euphoria are going to drop you hard when you realze the ps3 isn't what Sony got you to believe it was with their fancy CGI videos. They did look perdy though.
The 360 GPU will be much better and more effectient than the ps3 GPU. The ps3 GPU is slightely more powerful than an RSX. The 360 gpu will basically (in simple language for you people) do whatever the ps3 gpu can do and then some. "
Nice "arugement", except you are evidently contradicting yourself. How can you possibly know which will have better performance (despite the fact that your information is taken from rumors), if PS3 is vaporware on your own words? It's amazing how many tools roam the internet these days. nVidia has always beaten ATI anyway. 23% of the processor wasted? HAHAHA, OK man. I don't really care who has "marginally better graphics". The reasons I'm waiting for PS3 is free online play (with a moron filter), Blu-ray, exclusive and japanese games, Blu-ray movies, and backwards compatibility, so even if your gossip was right, it would be worthless to anyone. Oh, and the loss became 5 billion, but that's old news, dipshit.
Anyway, you are the stupidest 360 fan I've ever had the pleasure to read about. I guess you shouldn't have taken too seriously when people called you "Guru", as they meant it sarcastically. Go shoot yourself, as you are already a burden to our gene pool.
By the way 360 fanboys, you have a console to play already, don't you? I guess it's better to come here and talk shit about PS3 instead of playing your console. What the lack of good games does I guess.
Kizza, the games I'm planning to get for PS3 are the tons of japanese games (action, adventure, RPG, fighting, some quirky or original games, etcetera; you know, good games in general, not generic FPS and Racing games) that Xbox 360 doesn't seem will get any time soon.
Fan @ Apr 21st 2006 11:10AM
I really do fail to see how my arguments were debunked?
I simply commented on what the PS3 has and the 360 has not. You countered that with "The PS3 isnt out yet. Screw yuo!". I hardly see that as countering my comments.
But all this bickering is useless. We will see come e3 whats real and whats not. Im sure Microsoft will have lots of nice upgrades ready for the 360 so it can compete with the rest.
The Guru @ Apr 21st 2006 5:21PM
Id be mightely pleased if you could show me where it says 5 billion dollar loss. If you can, then you proved me wrong. If not, you have been talking out of your ass as you normally do.
I agree, Nvidia has usually been better than ATI, but no this time, my idiotic little buddy. The unified pipelines has been proven to be better. Why else would Nvidia's next grapics chip contain this technology??
You really arent very smart are you?? seriously think about it. The gpu and the cpu are both DONE. Means there almost completely finished. Sony will start testing the chips (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31157) and making slight modifications if need be. Put in simple context for you: You can pretty accuratly compare.
Now the specs sheets Sony releases, that is what they hope to acheive when everything is all said and done and they have their vaporware system put together. So you compare a CPU to CPU and a GPU to GPU. (thought someone of your claimed brilliance would know this). You can't, however, compare system to system because of what I have said....there simply is not ps3 right now.
"Either way, your brain should be fed to rats, not jarred, as it isn't even useful for being studied."
You really are funny. Can't even read. I didn't say your brains should be put in a jar. I said they must be jarred, as in sustained trama. lol.
boots @ Apr 21st 2006 7:41PM
The Guru,
For someone of your claimed brilliance, you should try to develop writing skills. Your rants are barely legible. (By the way, when did I claim brilliance? I never did, but thanks for the compliment)
The 4 billion dollar loss was reported LONG before the end of 2005. By the end of 2005, according to several investor relations documents, the Xbox division lost another *extra* billion dollars. I thought that would have been common knowledge for you, given that you are an Xbox fanboy.
"You can't, however, compare system to system because of what I have said....there simply is not ps3 right now. "
Then stop comparing them, you dumb shit. Even with unified shader architecture, it is not proven that the ATI 360 card could beat the RSX (also, unified shader cards are not so new... they came once a long time ago and they were discontinued; do you wonder why, putz?). It doesn't matter that nVidia will make their future cards have a unified architecture; they have to because that's how shader model 4 will work. It's not more effective, nor faster, it's just different, or "Efficient" in some way. Discrete shaders are faster for the single purpose they are made for than unified shaders, but unified shaders can work as pixel and vertex shaders... so in some things the RSX will be better than Xenos, and viceversa. It depends on how the programmer works. It will also depend on how they rely on the CPU. CPU can also do graphics, just like the emotion engine did all or most of the graphics on PS2, achieving a similar level to that of Xbox even when it came 1.5 years before the Xbox (and even when it had a negligible GPU). Don't underestimate the power that PS3 can deliver, considering they have both the RSX and the Cell, which can do graphics very well too (PS3 was actually going to be cell processors only, but that would have been too expensive). The only way we'll be able to determine is when both are out and at its fullest (and assuming the rumors for the PS3 OS aren't true, otherwise we'll never know its true graphical power); until then, anyone's guess can be as accurate as it can be ridiculous.
By the way, I'm sorry if I don't understand your language. I was trying to translate to actual english, so one would have thought that you meant by saying "your brain must be jarred" as if using future tense (example: "You must be killed", as opposed to "You must be dead" or "You must have been killed"):
"tr.v. jarred, jarring, jars
To put into a jar" ---dictionary.reference.com
For what you meant, you should have said "Your brain must have been jarred" or "Your brain is in a jarred state". You know, just as an advice for avoiding any misunderstandings, dipshit.
By the way, maybe if I had recommended you to use the *NYKO intercooler*, you wouldn't be here anymore. Watch yourself with that heater, my idiotic buddy. It could burn your entire house.
me kizza @ Apr 21st 2006 8:51PM
6 billion loss.... hahahahahahahah. Only a complete moron MS fanbitch, american flag waving retard, with starspangled eyes & a 1" patriotic un-used penis could fail to realise this is a massive loss & defeat to even someone with as much disposable income as bill gates.... Thats why he rushed the 360 out & dropped the xflop1 so quickly & coldly. This is the company these mS morons are willing to invest their time & money into. While PS1 was supported by sony at least 18mths after ps2 released.
And to the retard that is guru, get a life american. This is how we know sony will deleiver more of & better games PS1 had the biggest, best lineup back then, PS2 continued this against competition that supposedly had better capabilities & PS3 still has the biggest lineup of the best 3rd & 1st party developers. They have the longest list of games in development out of any next gen machine, even 1 thats already been out for over 6mths..... hahahahahahhaahhaahahahahahhah.
Thats how we know fanbitch. Stop being such a hater.
smellslikepie @ Apr 21st 2006 9:38PM
also, you said the PS3 has more confirmed games than the Xbox 360. After counting the games you listed, I got 108( I half forgot the number when typing this but it was around that area :D. here is a list of confirmed 360 games:
1. 2006 FIFA World Cup Xbox 360 Sports 4/24/2006
2. [eM] -eNCHANT arM- Xbox 360 RPG To Be Announced
3. ACONY Untitled Online FPS Xbox 360 First Person Shooter To Be Announced
4. Alan Wake Xbox 360 Action/Adventure To Be Announced
5. All Points Bulletin Xbox 360 MMO 2007
6. Alone in the Dark Xbox 360 Survival/Horror 2006
7. Amped 3 Xbox 360 Sports 11/15/2005
8. Bankshot Billiards 2 Xbox 360 Xbox Live Arcade 11/22/2005
9. Battlefield 2142 Xbox 360 First Person Shooter To Be Announced
10. Battlefield 2: Modern Combat Xbox 360 First Person Shooter 4/11/2006
11. Battlestations: Midway Xbox 360 Shooter Q4 2006
12. Bejeweled 2 Xbox 360 Xbox Live Arcade 11/22/2005
13. Blazing Angels Squadrons of WWII Xbox 360 Flying 3/23/2006
14. BOMBERMAN ActZero Xbox 360 Action/Strategy Q3 2006
15. Brothers In Arms Hell's Highway Xbox 360 First Person Shooter Q4 2006
16. Call of Duty 2 Xbox 360 First Person Shooter 11/15/2005
17. Castle Wolfenstein Xbox 360 First Person Shooter To Be Announced
18. CellFactor Xbox 360 First Person Shooter 2007
19. Chromehounds Xbox 360 Action/Shooter 6/27/2006
20. Cloning Clyde Xbox 360 Xbox Live Arcade Q2 2006
21. College Hoops 2K6 Xbox 360 Sports 3/13/2006
22. Condemned: Criminal Origins Xbox 360 Action 11/15/2005
23. Crackdown Xbox 360 Action Q4 2006
24. Crysis Xbox 360 Action/Shooter To Be Announced
25. Crystal Quest Xbox 360 Xbox Live Arcade Dec. 2005
26. Dark Sector Xbox 360 First Person Shooter 2006
27. Dead or Alive 4 Xbox 360 Fighting 12/29/2005
28. Dead Rising Xbox 360 Action May. 2006
29. Def Jam 3 Xbox 360 Fighting To Be Announced
30. Demonik Xbox 360 Action/Adventure 2006
31. DogTag Xbox 360 Action/Shooter 2006
32. Dynasty Warriors 5 Empires Xbox 360 Action/Strategy 3/28/2006
33. Elveon Xbox 360 Action/RPG Q2 2007
34. Everyparty Xbox 360 Party To Be Announced
35. Far Cry Instincts Predator Xbox 360 First Person Shooter 3/28/2006
36. Far East of Eden Ziria Xbox 360 RPG To Be Announced
37. Feeding Frenzy Xbox 360 Xbox Live Arcade 3/15/2006
38. FIFA Soccer 06: Road to FIFA World Cup Xbox 360 Sports 11/15/2005
39. Fight Night Round 3 Xbox 360 Sports 2/22/2006
40. Final Fantasy XI Xbox 360 RPG 4/18/2006
41. Football Manager 2006 Xbox 360 Sports Q2 2006
42. Frame City Killer Xbox 360 Action 8/1/2006
43. Full Auto Xbox 360 Racing/Driving 2/14/2006
44. Gauntlet - Xbox Live Arcade Xbox 360 Xbox Live Arcade 11/22/2005
45. Gears of War Xbox 360 Action/Shooter Q3 2006
46. Geometry Wars Xbox 360 Xbox Live Arcade Nov. 2005
47. Grand Raid Offroad Xbox 360 Racing/Driving To Be Announced
48. GUN Xbox 360 Action/Shooter 11/15/2005
49. Halo 3 Xbox 360 First Person Shooter To Be Announced
50. Hardwood Backgammon Xbox 360 Xbox Live Arcade 12/8/2005
51. Hardwood Hearts Xbox 360 Xbox Live Arcade 12/8/2005
52. Hardwood Spades Xbox 360 Xbox Live Arcade 12/8/2005
53. Hexic HD Xbox 360 Xbox Live Arcade 11/22/2005
54. Hitman: Blood Money Xbox 360 Action/Adventure 5/30/2006
55. HoopWorld Xbox 360 Xbox Live Arcade Q2 2006
56. Huxley Xbox 360 MMO Q4 2006
57. INFERNAL Xbox 360 Action/Shooter Q4 2006
58. Joust - Xbox Live Arcade Xbox 360 Xbox Live Arcade 11/22/2005
59. Just Cause Xbox 360 Action Q4 2006
60. Kameo: Elements of Power Xbox 360 Action/Adventure 11/9/2005
61. Llamasoft Visualiser Xbox 360 Other Q4 2005
62. LMA Manager 2006 Xbox 360 Sports Mar. 2006
63. Lost Odyssey Xbox 360 RPG To Be Announced
64. Lost Planet Xbox 360 Action/Shooter Q4 2006
65. Mad Tracks Xbox 360 Xbox Live Arcade Q2 2006
66. Madden NFL 06 Xbox 360 Sports 11/15/2005
67. Madden NFL 07 Xbox 360 Sports Q4 2006
68. Major League Baseball 2K6 Xbox 360 Sports 4/11/2006
69. Marble Blast Ultra Xbox 360 Puzzle 1/26/2006
70. Marvel MMOG Xbox 360 MMO To Be Announced
71. Mass Effect Xbox 360 Action/RPG To Be Announced
72. Medal of Honor Airborne Xbox 360 First Person Shooter Q4 2006
73. Metronome Xbox 360 Action/Adventure To Be Announced
74. Monster Madness Xbox 360 Action Q1 2006
75. MotoGP 2006 Xbox 360 Racing/Driving 5/30/2006
76. Mutant Storm Reloaded Xbox 360 Xbox Live Arcade 11/22/2005
77. NBA 2K6 Xbox 360 Sports 11/15/2005
78. NBA Live 06 Xbox 360 Sports 11/15/2005
79. Need for Speed Most Wanted Xbox 360 Racing/Driving 11/15/2005
80. NHL 2K6 Xbox 360 Sports 11/21/2005
81. Ninety-Nine Nights Xbox 360 Action 2006
82. Operation Darkness Xbox 360 RPG To Be Announced
83. Outpost Kaloki X Xbox 360 Xbox Live Arcade 11/22/2005
84. Over G Fighters Xbox 360 Flying 2006
85. Perfect Dark Zero Xbox 360 First Person Shooter 11/16/2005
86. Peter Jackson's King Kong Xbox 360 Action/Adventure 11/21/2005
87. Phantasy Star Universe Xbox 360 Action/RPG Q4 2006
88. Possession Xbox 360 Survival/Horror To Be Announced
89. Prey Xbox 360 First Person Shooter Jun. 2006
90. Project Gotham Racing 3 Xbox 360 Racing/Driving 11/14/2005
91. Project Offset Xbox 360 First Person Shooter To Be Announced
92. QUAKE 4 Xbox 360 First Person Shooter 11/18/2005
93. Resident Evil 5 Xbox 360 Survival/Horror 2006
94. Ridge Racer 6 Xbox 360 Racing/Driving 11/22/2005
95. RoboBlitz Xbox 360 Xbox Live Arcade Q2 2006
96. Robotron: 2084 Xbox 360 Xbox Live Arcade 12/20/2005
97. Rockstar Games Presents Table Tennis Xbox 360 Sports 5/22/2006
98. Rumble Roses XX Xbox 360 Wrestling 3/28/2006
99. Saints Row Xbox 360 Action/Shooter Sep. 2006
100. Shaun White Snowboarding Xbox 360 Sports To Be Announced
101. Smash TV Xbox 360 Xbox Live Arcade 11/22/2005
102. Sonic The Hedgehog Xbox 360 Platformer 2006
103. Spider-Man 3 Xbox 360 Action/Adventure 5/4/2007
104. Star Trek: Legacy Xbox 360 Action/Adventure To Be Announced
105. Stargate Worlds Xbox 360 MMO To Be Announced
106. Stranglehold Xbox 360 Action/Adventure To Be Announced
107. Street Fighter II Hyper Fighting Xbox 360 Fighting Mar. 2006
108. Strike Force Red Cell Xbox 360 First Person Shooter To Be Announced
109. Superman Returns: The Videogame Xbox 360 Action Q4 2006
110. Test Drive Unlimited Xbox 360 Racing/Driving Jul. 2006
111. The Darkness Xbox 360 Action/Adventure 2006
112. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Xbox 360 RPG 3/20/2006
113. The Godfather Xbox 360 Action/Adventure Q4 2006
114. The House of the Dead 4 Xbox 360 First Person Shooter To Be Announced
115. The Lord of the Rings The Battle for Middle-Earth II Xbox 360 Action/Strategy The Outfit Xbox 360 Action/Shooter 3/13/2006
116. The Outsider Xbox 360 Action To Be Announced
117. The Shadow of Aten Xbox 360 Action To Be Announced
118. The Siege of Khe Sanh Xbox 360 Action/Shooter Q4 2006
119. Tiger Woods PGA Tour 06 Xbox 360 Sports 11/15/2005
120. TimeShift Xbox 360 First Person Shooter To Be Announced
121. Tokyo Extreme Racer Xbox 360 Racing/Driving To Be Announced
122. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas Xbox 360 First Person Shooter To Be Announced Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Double Agent Xbox 360 Action/Stealth Sep. 2006
123. Tom Clancys Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter Xbox 360 Action/Shooter 3/7/2006 Tomb Raider: Legend Xbox 360 Action/Adventure 4/11/2006
124. Tony Hawks American Wasteland Xbox 360 Extreme Sports 11/15/2005
125. Too Human Xbox 360 Action/Shooter To Be Announced
126. Top Spin 2 Xbox 360 Sports 3/29/2006
127. TRANSFORMERS Xbox 360 Action/Shooter 7/4/2007
128. Turok Next-Gen Xbox 360 Action/Shooter To Be Announced
129. Two Worlds Xbox 360 RPG Q4 2006
130. Viva Pi? Xbox 360 Simulation Q4 2006
131. Voodoo Nights Xbox 360 Action/Adventure To Be Announced
132. WarDevil Xbox 360 Action/Adventure To Be Announced
133. Wik: The Fable of Souls Xbox 360 Xbox Live Arcade 12/14/2005
134. WWE SmackDown vs. RAW 2007 Xbox 360 Wrestling Q4 2006
135. X-Men: The Official Game Xbox 360 Action/Adventure 5/16/2006
136. Zuma Deluxe Xbox 360 Xbox Live Arcade 11/22/2005
137. Burnout Revenge Xbox 360 Racing/Driving 3/7/2006
As you can see, 137. The 360 has more games.
me kizza @ Apr 21st 2006 11:05PM
Hey smellidyke. That list he had does not include most of the japanese developed titles we may/will be getting. You see son, developers are the biggest innovators not nintendo, sega, MS, Sony, these people just provide a platform for developers to innovate. For this reason alone, is why sony single handedly owned the console market after the death of the nintendo of old, which was after the snes's reign.
All you retards that think nintendo are some kind of innovators need to give some examples to back up your fanbitchisms...... As the way I remember it, the n-64 biggest & best game was rare's goldeneye (MS wrecked that company with it's so called innovation), so all nintendo did was provide the machine, sony provided the PS1 which had too many top games to mention, so sony won that battle hands down....... Now lets get on to the GC, nintendo made another platform for capcom to provide the best game for..... nintendo's lack of innovation ensured they lost rare & most other top 3rd party developers & even nintendo's own flagship franchise Mario was a flop in sunshine (Iknow, I bought the machine with/for that steaming pile)....................
Now lets move to the least innovative, most un-originally, copycats in the industry....Yes MS, they saw sony's great success with ps1 & thought...."Wow, they made that look easy", so Bill the original thought stealing thief jumped in......... huge shock hey bill, can I borrow 6billion please Bill...... MS's 1st machine came 18mths after sony's & guess what, MS added dvd playback.........jeez, wonder who done that 1st? Was it sony?...............Yes retards. .......Then they thought they'd be really original by having the world 1st online console......Well, they thought that everyone had forgotten about the dreamcast, didn't they??? The only (so called) innovation MS came up with, was to charge us on top of our broadband fees, for the privelage to play something we already pay through the teeth for online). Now thats innovation.
Sony's innovation over the last 10yrs has left the competetion for dead as they single handedly blew the misconception out of the water that video games are only for kids & nerds who can't get a root. They took it mainstream, which in turn drew bigger developer support from everything to pc developers to upstart companies.......... They made the industry grow up.......where nintendo couldn't & still haven't lost that KIDDIE ONLY factor.
Now with PS3 they are taking a much bigger gamble than either competitor with blu ray...... And for these reasons I shall support sony by buying their machine on launch for simply offering me something different...... Sure I may pay a little extra because of the blu ray drive, but it will be minimal as opposed to the huge benefit of HD movies out of the box. Now MS on the other hand offered dvd playback with xflop1, but only after you bought a remote control......... whereas sony's 18mth older machine offered it out of the box.......... Now MS offers standard dvd playback out of the box with 360.......thats last gen, not innovative................ Now you have to buy the extra drive to watch next gen movies on 360....... & they don't even have the balls to flat out support one of the formats until a winner is determined for them....... So this just confirm that MS let everyone else be the innovators & when success is determined they jump in trailing, following & copying as usual.
hahahahahahaaha
I love you MS american retard fanbitches mentalities....... Shows just how weak, pathetic & biased you are against the already established next gen winners that are sony.
boots (former bd) @ Apr 22nd 2006 12:23AM
Smells like Pie:
The difference is that Xbox 360 has a year advantage over PS3. PS3 has a lot more titles in development 7 months before launch than X360 had 7 months before launch. PS3 lifespan is probably set to last longer than the one set for 360, and also, PS3 is not set to be a failure in Japan, so it will probably end up with more Japanese titles shortly anyway.
Oh, and remember that the PS2 generation isn't over, so developers are gonna try and squeeze as much profit as they can for the (true) next-gen. Since PS3 is compatible with PS2 games, that won't impact PS2 game sales like 360 has impacted Xbox 1 game sales with its mediocre (at best) backwards compatibility.
There's too little known about PS3 right now to make an actual judgement about it. On the other hand, 360 has a disappointing First Person games mostly line-up. I've seen Oblivion already, it is ANOTHER first person game, and while the graphics are nice, they are much better on Fight Night Round 3 (which isn't an exclusive anyway) or Burnout (again, not exclusive).
I'm waiting for the good titles (like Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey and Dead Rising) to come out. Even when at this point Xbox 360 seems to be gathering some nice exclusives, I expect (as of now) that the PS3 will end up having better and more exclusives as the PS2 and PS1 generations. Who knows, maybe I'm wrong, but nothing is certain.
The Guru @ Apr 22nd 2006 12:39AM
boots, xenon is better. I can't believe you are actually trying to convince me and/or others otherwise. Yes, the cell is probably a beast, but its not as powerful as Sony would like us to believe. They offered it to Apple, whos analysis of the cell came back as saying it wasn't as powerful as claimed, and so they went with intel chips. I know you've heard this before.
And if you could kindly point me in the direction of someplace saying the xbox lost 5 billion, I will gladely say you are right. Until then, guessing at what you think might have possibly been what MS should've lost at this point isn't going to do anything or get anyone anywhere.
Please stop putting dictionary meanings of words on your posts. Is that what you are doing?? putting these through a translater?? looking up words??....wow
Me kizza
I'm pretty sure America is the worlds super power right now. NO? whatever poor ass country you live, I'm sorry. But its not the US's fault. Hell, we're even trying to spread democracy. But liberal ass bitches such as yourself miscontrue reality. And you really must tell me where you live. I feel that to talk crap about another person's country without having fixed your own is a bit....well retarded to say the least.
You talk as though you know business.
"they don't even have the balls to flat out support one of the formats until a winner is determined for them"
you were just talking about good business and MS losing a made up number of 5-6 billion. And now you want them to get in on the format war?!? If you knew anything about business, you could understand what they did. They have an add on HD DVD player because, naturally, they want HD DVD to win. But if it doesn't, then it doesn't kill them. And you say MS doesn't have balls like it is some game or dare. Think about you say before you spew forth ignorance. Its good advice.
The Guru @ Apr 22nd 2006 1:02AM
boots, I just noticed, but why did your name change from boots to boots (former bd)??
Are you changing your name on here? and why?
your probably me kizza too. that my guess.
me kizza @ Apr 22nd 2006 1:56AM
"you were just talking about good business and MS losing a made up number of 5-6 billion. And now you want them to get in on the format war?!? If you knew anything about business, you could understand what they did. They have an add on HD DVD player because, naturally, they want HD DVD to win. But if it doesn't, then it doesn't kill them. And you say MS doesn't have balls like it is some game or dare. Think about you say before you spew forth ignorance. Its good advice."
If they had any business sense they would either commit to their preferred disk app. & give reasons why it is better, or they would say that neither are relevant for gaming & we see no reason to add one or the other as te console we have released is finished & does not need cheap add ons (like sony's ps2 hdd or cd add on for genesis). Instead the masters of marketing confusion have said, "oh, we may support hd dvd, then 1week later when some major movie industry players committed to blu ray they do a 180 & say they may release a add on blu ray drive. Thats not business smarts you idiot, thats weak........ this is why they will lose more than 6billion this time...... They are confusing people with things like the aforementioned, then having 2 different systems at launch & 2 or 3 different grades of online. What idiots..... People that were initially gonna buy 360, were gonna buy the premium pack anyway, they would not bother with a scaled down version for the sake of $100-$150..........These are hardcore gamers that buy early.
MS are morons you idiot, they are typical, ignorant, big headed, close minded, truth blinded, american retard idiots like you...... You highlight this with comments like this tub of lard.
"Hell, we're even trying to spread democracy."
If we were all as stupid as you & sheltered behind our flag, we'd actually believe that crap..................
FACT IS YOU ARE TRYING TO STEAL OIL, YOU THIEVING AMERICAN WHORES..............
Not in iraq for any other reason...... This is highlighted by the fact that when your groundtroops got to iraq, the 1st place they went is to the oil fields to sieze control of them.... Meanwhile, due to america's superior, superpower firepower that missed it's intended targets & hit civilian water supplies & civilians, iraqi people without water had gone to the local nuclear plant & emptied out barrels full of toxic, nuclear waste & used the barrels to gather water. Greenpeace workers were responsible for replacing these barrels co-incidently. So this shows just how concerned the americans were with libertaing the iraqi people. So shutup, you little uneducated fool. You know nothing....... Your country has voted the same dikkhead into power twice.......... A leader thats own country is being attacked, yet upon hearing news of it, he cannot break away from hearing the end of little peter rabbit with the other children of his equal mental capacity.
"They have an add on HD DVD player because, naturally, they want HD DVD to win. But if it doesn't, then it doesn't kill them."
Duh, PS3 has plenty of usb ports for an add on hd dvd drive....... But sony dont need to throw cunfusion out there to consumers..... They want the better format to win & are backing it gallantly you dikhead....... Have you know brain....... MS if were a boxer, If MS were muhamid ali in his prime for instance, would be saying "I am the greatest, I am the fastest, I am the best,......... but if frazier beats me, he is obviously better & I will actually train the same way as him, as it is obviously superior".
MS as you admitted are simply a business...... They do well in other fields, due to a strong monopoly & the attached lack of competition..... But they will have trouble gaining a monopoly in this industry, due to the fact that innovation, commitment & smart, direct, non- confusing marketing are keys to win. All these features MS lacks & sony has in spades.
Thats the simple logistics retard. Your american, your stupid, your wrong, your a spineless bitch & you come from a country that spawned & spewed out that retard tom cruise.......nuff said.
The Guru @ Apr 22nd 2006 9:35AM
I see you've responded to everything but what country your from.
And if "ignorant, big headed, close minded, truth blinded, american retard idiots" is what made the single greatest nation on earth, then thats pretty damn good. Imagine what we could do if we had your sharp witted brilliance. OH the possiblities are endless.
"due to the fact that innovation"
Yep, thats it. Sony is the most innovative company I've ever seen. But what have they come up with on their own?? Their controller? YEAH!! They cant even use their own design. Instead, they take a George Forman grill, and put Spiderman writing on it. It has a hdd that Sony said was useless in the original xbox. Now online play is so important to them. And oh, apparently they have an XBL exact copy. Yes, you hit that one rite on the head. They do everything their own way don't they?
And if "MS are morons" and it has made bill gates the riches man on earth (who, by the way, is an american), then damn, I wanna be a moron too.
Your logic doesn't add up. And don't respond unless your going to put your which crappy third world country you live in.