Cheaper PS3 loses HDMI, slots, Wi-Fi, 40GB
by Dan Choi 
{ May 9th 2006 at 3:32AM }
As you can see above, there are a few things different between the two PS3 SKUs planned. (Hint: the obvious alterations concern high-def output and wireless connectivity -- though Bluetooth controllers should work just fine with both, with or without any chrome case highlighting.)
So what's HDMI, built-in multimedia card-reader slots, wireless internet connectivity, and an extra 40 gigabytes' hard disk space worth to you? $100? Now that Sony's gone with the 2-SKU approach with its next-gen hardware (a la the Xbox 360's premium and "Core" systems), we can expect some tough consumer choices after six months -- with console shortages possibly for another six months after that -- as $100 separates the base $499 and premium $599 versions of Sony's "Clear Black" hope.
HDMI is important to those who want to take full advantage of Blu-ray high def and have the new screens to use it; MemoryStick, SD, and CompactFlash slots would be nice for the PS3 memory-card users and those will run multimedia on the system; Wi-Fi's the only way to avoid stringing ethernet cables for online access; and 360 owners might appreciate the full 60GB available to potential buyers of the premium PS3 model. Neither model comes with a second HDMI port; thankfully, one should hopefully be all most users need. The details are laid out in a feature-comparison table at the end of Sony's official PS3 hardware press release, available in both Adobe Reader and Microsoft Word formats. Determine what's most important to your PS3 ambitions there.
[Image pieced together from the PlayStation.com forums; thanks, Guru]
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harun @ Feb 8th 2008 4:36PM
i got a 40gb ps3 it does have hdmi ports an wi fi it also does not heat up alot like the 60gb ps3 and the 80gb ps3 there is no need fo an extra cooling fan the 40gb plays only ps1 and 2 games but sony took out a ps2 chip from the 40gb ps3 because it makes it overheat but sooner or later that ps2 chip can be purchesed
harun @ Feb 8th 2008 4:38PM
hey thats the 20gb ps3 not 60
Melissa @ Apr 4th 2008 1:25AM
Is it at all possible to upgrade your hard drive on a 40GB PS3? I have read several articles and blogs about upgrading the $500 one, what about the people who bought the cheap one, hoping to upgrade later? Please help!
James @ May 9th 2006 5:46AM
As you fail to realize that upgrading from the $499 PS3 is impossible. Is it possible to add wireless support later to the $499 PS3? Is it possible to add HDMI support later to the PS3? What about the memory card support?
With the Xbox 360 core, you can buy add-ons to turn it into the premium system.
boots (former bd) @ May 9th 2006 7:59AM
Do you really think there will be shortages? One version is crippled, and the other one is too expensive. *sigh*
greatslack @ May 9th 2006 8:01AM
Wait, so no more dual 1080p set up?
Eyecandy @ May 9th 2006 9:28AM
$ony $ucks.
Sony Lied @ May 9th 2006 9:37AM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! I've waited for to hear this for a long time...Hopefully nintendo won't screw up and we can have some decent MS and Nintendo competition, although I'm afraid sony might still have a strong enough fanbase to sell this half-a$$ed system of failed promises (or outright lies). What an arrogant company.
Ziy @ May 9th 2006 9:59AM
I agree with Sony Lied
Microdot @ May 9th 2006 10:42AM
half assed system? what type of crack have you been smoking?
if anything, its an overkill system. its catering to those that want the best with the most features, not the users that "can only afford x dollar systems".
if its too rich for your blood... go back to your xbox and black and white tv with rabbit ear antennae. some of us see this as a godsend. you know... those of us that want the best out of life... spend the money on bmw's, high definition tv's, home automation systems. if you're happy in the peewee leagues, good for you. not everyone is.
bobeotm @ May 9th 2006 10:54AM
When you think about it, the core PS3 system, has everything the premium 360 has, and then some (apart from that port). I do think they should have kept the HDMI on both versions, people dont HAVE to have wifi or the card readers to play the games, however HDMI is integral to fully realized HD content. The card readers and wifi can be usb addons if they chose to provide them, but HDMI is something that cant just be easily added to the system. Of the three features its the one that will be impossible to upgrade from.
Scott @ May 9th 2006 11:00AM
Here's the way I lookat it. I own a 360 and like it very much. There are some great games coming out for it very soon. The PS3 from the looks of it is going to be expensive but if you break it down it's a pretty good deal. For $600 your going to get alot. It will have 40 more gigs than a 360, if you add the wi-fi adaptor to the 360 that will be $100 and if you add the new HD-DVD add on that will at minimum be $100. Add all that up and you have $600. It seems that no one is taking into consideration that the Xbox 360 has no HDMI output at all. I am not a fanboy of any console I just like to play games... And if that means I have to buy a 360 to play Gears of War and Halo3 then so be it. If I want to play MGS4 and Gran Turismo then I will have to get a PS3. My point is, it is still for me, all about the games...
Justin @ May 9th 2006 11:04AM
Yea, I agree about the HDMI bobeotm. I think that people will have to suck it up and buy the high end one. Now i dont think i can own all three systems like i usually do. Also, this is NOT a 360 killer. We saw the videos. Gears of war and lost planet are as good as anything. Actually, ill probably buy it in 07 when the prices come down and the good games hit. Im not paying that price for "launch" games.
bobeotm @ May 9th 2006 11:20AM
Another thing about the 360 for me, is that every big game thats touted to be coming up for the 360 is a first person shooter of some sort. WHERE ARE THE OTHER TYPES OF GAMES! One fighting franchise, compared to sony's big three. Barely one platformer, and not a single one slated for release (as far as ive seen). Meanwhile there is a huge number of first person shooters trying to be the next halo. So if you dont like First person shooters or ported sports games, it is hard to convince oneself to buy a 360 just yet. More genres need to be well represented before I shell out.
Unfortunately the PS3 is expensive, but the variety of the games featured is promising. RPGs, FPSs, Fighting Games, Platformers, Racing Titles, etc. I will undoubtedly be buying the premium, it's just that it will take a bit of cold hard cash to do so. Im holding out hope that they have a few more surprises before launch that will put more people at ease, but as of now, it seems people will be making a hard decision regardless of what system they choose.
Wii gives you innovative gameplay, but at the expense of traditional titles and gameplay mechanics. 360 gives you solid online and FPSs, but you have to be willing to only want a good selection of 2 types of games. Playstation 3 will have blu ray, motion sensing, and a wide variety of high profile titles; but it comes at a great cost. The decisions seem hard all the way around, and I feel scared about the state of this generation.
jon @ May 9th 2006 11:25AM
HDMI is a big deal even if 360 doesn't have it...because according to Sony real HD is 1080p and Blu-Ray. So if Sony doesn't have 1080p...they loose their fictional advantage over the much cheaper and already available HD-DVD technology. They also loose compatibility with HDCP...which could mean down resing of HD signal to something less than HD for all TV's using component inputs.
Of course no game developers will aim at making games in 1080p...notice only GT3.5 was showcased as running in 1080p...of course because it's a game from last gen. Try running a true next Gen game in 1080p like MGS. It won't happen. Not that it will matter becasue there still aren't true 1080p televisions on the market including Sony's entire TV line. Only TV's that upconvert 1080i to 1080p are out now. And what's more is that no one even knows what practical visual benefit would be gained in 1080p as there haven't been TV's out on the market to test and compare.
The Facts and Fiction of 1080p: (a very good read)
http://editorials.teamxbox.com/xbox/1544/The-Facts-and-Fiction-of-1080p/p1/
But nevertheless it's Egg on Sony's face. They over hype 1080p which is not yet supported in any Televisions...and then create a console that can't even support it. Most people still don't even own an HDTV set. So for them to enjoy PS3 benefits they will need to also spend hundreds of dollars on a TV. So for those majority of people...the $499 entry level price may seem outrageous. Maybe those without an HDTV set would much rather spend less money on a Wii or 360 core system.
SuicideNinja @ May 9th 2006 11:51AM
"if its too rich for your blood... go back to your xbox and black and white tv with rabbit ear antennae. some of us see this as a godsend. you know... those of us that want the best out of life... spend the money on bmw's, high definition tv's, home automation systems. if you're happy in the peewee leagues, good for you. not everyone is."
Enjoy your racked-up debt. Overspending is a fools game.
Just becaue $600 is spendy to someone, that doesn't mean they have a black and white television. That's awfully pompous of you. In my opinion, you're just scared because this will slow Sony down until the prices come down. It gives room to both competitors to grow.
It doesn't make much sense when good gaming could be had for less. I'm with waiting intelligently for a price drop, as others are. Right now, I hate to say it, but you might as start building a PC for that price...that's NOT proprietary.
I hope FFXIII is a ways off. Sony doesn't deserve that much money from us yet.
John @ May 9th 2006 12:11PM
I am really confused by sony's no HDMI system. Even though comparing the 360 (premium) and the cheaper system, $100 still buys you a bigger HD and a blu-ray player. IF and when Microsloth comes out with a HD-DVD add on it will probably be more than $100 and it will be external.
I just can't imagine why they would talk so much about true HD and then make a system that can't support it... Very strange play.
Sonyguy @ May 9th 2006 12:18PM
I have been a supporter of Sony and MS and have owned both the Xbox and PS2 as well as a 360. I was planning to also get the PS3 but for $600?? Give me a break Sony! I dont want wireless or the card reader but I would like HDMI so that forces me to get the higher priced system. They also havnt even given any good demos of any online strategy yet to compete with Xbox Live. I had high hopes for the PS3 but so far I think Sony is falling flat on their face.
Brian @ May 9th 2006 12:55PM
People need to get off Sony's case. They have been responsible for pushing the technological boundaries of games for the last 13 years. People want to talk about the Wii as innovative but it takes more than waving a remote around like a jackass to be innovative.
What about the Cell chip? How is that not a major innovation?
Jesus, you console fanboys are so insecure. You have to make everyone think you have the best shit available. You can't just like what you like and let people make their own decisions. Every console is going to have good and bad things. When the PS3's graphic capability is unleased it's going to be something we have never seen before. The 360 will probably have the best online functionality and the Wii will attract casual gamers and have that huge back catalog.
I like the old PS controler and I'm glad they changed very little, but when you people complain that the Sony controller doesn't have X then say they are ripping off Y when they implement X you make me want to destroy all humanity. And they couldn't have done this solely because of Nintendo, unless you really believe that Sony could have implemented a gyroscope sceme in such a short period of time. Maybe Nintendo convinced them it was the way to go, but whatever. It is when competitors have similar products that they are pushed to excel anyway.
I'm excited about the PS3 and want to learn more about what the Wii has to offer. Also, 600 isn't too bad when you consider that the first Blu-Ray players will be ~$1000.
Brian @ May 9th 2006 1:55PM
#13
Did you really just say the 360's grapics are slightly better? They're not even close.
Not having HDMI on the cheaper console was a mistake. I am not happy about having to spend another $100 on something so important to the system's functionality. I could care less about the wifi, I'm already running ethernet cables to my tv for my x-box and ps2, and I will probably never use the card reader or come close to filling up the hard drive.
Jesus, I really want one of these but I really do not want to be forced to sell myself to lonely truckers at a diner to get it.
jsn @ May 9th 2006 2:27PM
I think sony kind of screwed up. First they attack MS for releasing two consoles and "confusing consumers", then they follow suit. Next they attack microsoft for not supporting "true HD", then they release a console whose big selling point was it's blu-ray abilities. But the more affordable model won't support "true HD" either. They kinda dog Nintendo for the screwy controller and then act like their tacked on motion control is innovative. And belive me, it is tacked on. I have a friend who works for Midway and they've had PS3 dev boxes since the beginning. He never mentioned any motion sensitive controller.
It really looks like they're playing catchup on every front and their premium console is $600?? That's crazy. They will sell 2mil units if that's what they actually have at launch. Simply because there are 2mil people worldwide who will fight for it just to have it. But most parents (the real market drivers), aren't going to drop $600 on a game machine for their kids.
OyoyoY123 @ May 9th 2006 3:17PM
Your comments: 600???oh man~ you can buy 3 Wii for that kinda money!oh
well, better go out and find a job now......playstation
rules!
Scott, you've got a GREAT point there, everyone should really "think" before you buy anything~.
PS3 is cheaper than 360, if u just use ur brain and grade 2 math.!!!!!!!!
but 360 is looking mighty nice now, since it's got tenchu and rumble roses and elder's scroll!
Great,now i have to find two jobs, arghh~
G @ May 9th 2006 3:56PM
HDMI is nice for HDTV but not totally necessary, I am sure you will be able to use component cables to view HD content with the $499 system.
chris @ May 9th 2006 5:05PM
My decision has just been made. Thanks Sony, I'm buying an Xbox360. When the premium system comes down below 399 I might consider it. Until them . . .
Thats just one gamers op. I was waiting until both systems launch, but with price points like this - - - I mean you going to buy a ps3 for tommy or a nice computer to use at school?
B1gC72 @ May 9th 2006 5:30PM
wow. just wow. i cant believe they did this. that is just staight up bullshit. why even release the $500 one? at least with the 360 you can buy a core and upgrade to a premium. with this your stuck. this is retarded on Sony's behalf. i was loving everything that Sony had done so far with the PS3 but this kinda pisses me off. those are some of the key features of the whole thing (well HDMI anyway). i was planning on getting the $500 one and just adding a bigger HDD later or just using these SD cards and Memory Sticks i got layin around but they just killed that. thanks Sony. *sigh* ill still buy it for $600............but i wont be happy about it. lol. now i gotta save up an extra $100. damn you Sony. this is definately a love-hate relationship we got goin here...
B1gC72 @ May 9th 2006 5:33PM
oh yeah, and leaving out the chrome details on the $500 model.....well that's just sick Sony...............
Andrew @ May 9th 2006 6:22PM
I have a question: Since the low-grade version doesn't have wi-fi, does that mean it won't be able to connect with the PSP? I kind of thought that was one of the selling points.
Microdot @ May 9th 2006 6:29PM
congrats to people like #20 who seem to struggle at grade school math.
xbox 360 premium: $399
external hd dvd: ~ $125
xbox live service to play online: $50/year
sony ps3 BASE (because thats what the specs compare out to): $499
external dvd: not needed. included.
play online service charge: free
xbox total for the first year: $574
ps3 total for the first year: $499
and well... you would still be missing out on a few things, like bluetooth, etc.... but oh well.
or.. lets go bigger.
xbox 360 premium: $399
external hd dvd: ~ $125
wireless adaptor: $100
xbox live service to play online: $50/year
sony ps3 premium: $599
external dvd: not needed. included.
wireless adaptor: not needed. free.
play online service charge: free
xbox total: $674
ps3 total: $599
and again... you'll be missing out on the bluetooth... the 60gb hard drive... etc... etc... etc. but you're ok with that, right? spend more to get less is a good approach.
but it was just a super sweet argument before you learned how to add, wasnt it? i bet you were patting yourselves on the back and everything.
and... before we get that far... for those of you who "dont play online and dont want hd content"... fine. it isnt a problem with the price tag... the ps3 just isnt catering to you. go play your atari and be in 'old school bliss'.
MR.X @ May 9th 2006 6:38PM
no u can still connect with the psp u just have to setup a seprate wifi network in you're house or go to a hotspot when ur ps3 is connected to the internet via ether port, then u have to sink them up with the sony online stuff, like ur account info and junk
MR.X @ May 9th 2006 6:44PM
By the way both versions support bluetooth, and yes u can still watch blueray movies just at 1080i my hd tv does not have hdmi so i don't care, i will buy the 500 one. lol, and i love how other fanboys call it a crippled version, becuase of an hdmi port 1080p is nice but 1080i is just fine my 360 prooved that too me so my ps3 will just have hang in 720p which most games are going to be in anyways so relax, ur not missing out on much.
Silverfrog @ May 9th 2006 6:47PM
I'm not terribly upset with this price. After all, I pay $4400 for a gaming PC, so why wouldn't I pay $600 for a kickass console that's not only backwards compatible back to PS1 but also has the ability to play HD movies from blockbuster?
Speaking of backwards compatibility, Sony SERIOUSLY needs to release a PS1, PS2, PS3 memory stick and game save/data converter so that users can transfer game data from old memory stick formats to larger, higher capacity formats or a hard drive better yet. Am I the only one with 5+ memory cards that are taking up space and cumbersome to swap out? I know it's a trivial issue, but one that needs a fix nonetheless.
Brian @ May 9th 2006 8:10PM
@#27
Good point. I also wish you could plug in PS2 devices. Like the DDR pad and the Guitar.
Street Fighter 2 @ May 9th 2006 8:26PM
Wow it looks like Sony really blew it. copying lots of shit from other companys, yet making huge mistakes along the way, good job Phony. I can't see parents dishing out $800 for a PS3. (hello, games). most parents wouldn't go over $400 at x-mas, thats why xbox 360's price > ps3's price.
Ducksquad @ May 9th 2006 8:31PM
You've got to be kidding me.. That price is ridiculous. I have now made my decision and am now getting myself an Xbox 360.
Sony4lif @ May 9th 2006 9:37PM
Went out and got me a 360 today after work. Sorry Sony but you let me down for the last time.
Brian @ May 9th 2006 10:01PM
@#31
You can disagree with them all you want but Sony doesn't owe you jack. Sony, Microsoft and, yes, even Nintendo are all corporations and thus they have one goal: to make money. Not the developement of great games or the betterment o mankind but simply to make money. Sony packed that shiny box so full of advanced hardware that, even at a hige price, they are taking a huge hit on the console prices. When you look at all the stuff in there and how long they had to have spent developing it you can see where all that money is going.
So you can buy a 360, but do so because you want something, not because you feel like because you had some good times with the PS1 and 2 that this MASSIVE GLOBAL COMPANY is obligated to work for your convenience.
SuicideNinja @ May 10th 2006 2:06AM
"By the way both versions support bluetooth, and yes u can still watch blueray movies just at 1080i my hd tv does not have hdmi so i don't care, i will buy the 500 one. lol, and i love how other fanboys call it a crippled version, becuase of an hdmi port 1080p is nice but 1080i is just fine my 360 prooved that too me so my ps3 will just have hang in 720p which most games are going to be in anyways so relax, ur not missing out on much."
Actually, the problem is that non-HDMI ports don't support HDCP (HD content protection). This will be a problem down the line with Bluray movies that have the restriction imposed. In this scenario, the best you will get is LESS than 720p...even as low as 480p...which is back to SD. Thankfully, the restriction won't be imposed yet. However, we know how anal the movie industry gets, and the restriction could be imposed any time they feel like it.
Prize Fighter Inferno @ May 10th 2006 3:53AM
So is the only reason we need HDMI is because of the Movie Industry? Is there any other reason for it?
Semi @ May 10th 2006 8:43AM
so u can play ps1 and ps2 games on ps3?
Da'Cheez @ May 10th 2006 12:08PM
@Microdot "xbox 360 premium: $399
external hd dvd: ~ $125
xbox live service to play online: $50/year
sony ps3 BASE (because thats what the specs compare out to): $499
external dvd: not needed. included.
play online service charge: free
xbox total for the first year: $574
ps3 total for the first year: $499"
You also forgot to add the price of adding a 20G hdd to the price of the core Xbox360.
Xbox total for the first year: $674
Herman Allen @ May 10th 2006 12:08PM
Rememeber, its the games that make the system. If you are like me and have a 720 p tv, then component video is fine. As long as the movie manufactureres do not flag there movies then there will be no down conversion. As for wifi, no console before now has had it and I have survived so i will be okay. I understand
Sony overpromises, but the console is nice, and only 100 more than the 360. As for the memory stick ports, usb seems to work okay ont he 360 right, so why is it not good enough for the Sony? Unless you just have to have hdmi port, and have one of the newest tv's that do support 1080p and there are a few, then be happy that its 100 cheaper than the 599.99 system. That system is for av people mostly. I remeber last year when MS announced 399.99 for the 360. I was shocked someone had the nuts to break the mythical 299.99 barrier but they did, and we all bought it anyway. the point is that either buy one or do not. Enjoy the games on the sytem you own or plan to own. Why is it that only in videogames do we bash the other alternatives? I own a Honda but that doesn't mean I bash my brother's Toyota. Grow up and enjoy all the new games. By the way, the Wii looks interesting and my wife would really like something like that. The new systems are way too complicated for her and most casual users, which
Nintendo seems to understand. Hope you guys and gals enjoy the E3 AND ALL THE NEW GAMES, AND HOPE TO SEE YOU ONLINE! Gamertag Dolemite1
Guillermo @ May 10th 2006 12:12PM
One thing that concerns me about the $599 PS3 system is two words stated in the press sheets that I don't see nobody talking about "OPEN PRICE". That means you can charge as much as you want for the system without getting into problems with Sony. What are your opinions about that?
Cage @ May 10th 2006 1:18PM
Same post for the last 3 days. Horrible E3. Yep...PS3 and its fanboys have lost all hope
Cage @ May 10th 2006 1:24PM
Funny how Sony fanboys need to do addition and put in add ons to justify the PS3's crazy price. Fact is...360 players dont want/need to be forcefed a next gen dvd player. THEY PLAY GAMES.
DaCheez...you included the price of a PREMIUM box then add it for a 20G hdd. Thats how you must justify a $600 GAMING console? HA. Sony fanboys are fallin on hard times...
nemasu @ May 10th 2006 2:29PM
Im sick of people saying that sony ripped off the guide button from the 360....i mean...is a FREAKING button! Its common sense if you ask me. And if you want to get down to it, i guess nintendo copyed microsoft too...notice the home symbol in the middle?
Brian @ May 10th 2006 2:38PM
"Funny how Sony fanboys need to do addition and put in add ons to justify the PS3's crazy price. Fact is...360 players dont want/need to be forcefed a next gen dvd player. THEY PLAY GAMES."
People need to stop dismissing the BluRay capabilities of the PS3 by saying they ?don?t get a console to watch movies?. The fact is BluRay will help make games better. It is larger and read data more efficiently than DVD. Look at when PS2 games switched over from CD to DVD, that?s almost the level of jump that will take place. The 360 cannot take advantage of next-gen media because they were in such a damn hurry to get on the market that they eschewed HD-DVD. Even if BluRay never takes off as a movie format games on it will still be better that DVD (and by my estimation, HD-DVD as well).
But I will agree that the premium SKU is a screw job. I would be perfectly happy with the $500 model if it had HDMI because I?m with ZeroCorpse even with a good Wi-Fi network I?d rather run an Ethernet cable than risk something happening to the signal in the middle of a match. And the media reader ?functionality? is utter bullshit. And I?m not even going to get into my rant about movement sensing controllers but I hate them and I hope that it is used sparingly in the PS3. I know Sony has a proud tradition of stealing from Nintendo (but to be fair, they do refine the ideas more than Nintendo did) but why steal this one? And then to not even do it well but to slap on shit Logitech abandoned 7 years ago?
However, I am looking forward to seeing more of the actual games, Sony has always given fun games and I don?t see why that should change (not to mention they will be freaking beautiful). Also, I?m curious how they will further implement the PSP. There are some good games coming out for it now. Too many people wrote it off early on and they don?t see the good games available for it: Me and My Katamari, Daxter, Syphon Filter, Liberty Ciy Stories, X-Men Legends II, MLB 06. You might say that those are all console ports but they are GREAT ports to a handheld and add a lot of unctionality. Also, LocoRoco and the new MGS game look kick-ass. But I?m starting to ramble.
One more quick note: I?m sure Sony wouldn?t be getting nearly as much animosity if they had just tried to be entertaining in their press conference. I know Sony is trying to stick to a traditional idea of a press conference and that?s admirable but in an age when gamers are streaming video they need to spice it up a bit. Not nearly to the Nintendo level where they put on a big goofy fanboy-pandering show and don?t actually say anything, but please, just try.
Summary, holding HDMI hostage was a dick move, BluRay is good for games, the Wiimote is a dumb idea to begin with (in my opinion, feel free to disagree) and to do a half-ass copy is even dumber, and Sony gives boring press conferences.
boots (former bd) @ May 10th 2006 2:41PM
Well done, Microdot. Hopefully 360 trolls will shut up now.
Xbox 360 fans don't play games. They troll PS3 fansites. Hilarious.
Cage @ May 10th 2006 3:30PM
No Boots...they tell truth to blind fanboys who will try to say anything to make their console sound better...all this while at work when they cant play their beloved games (although I was thinkin about bringing this up in our next meeting. The 360 is going to be integrated with the PC through Vista. Our company plans on upgrading to Vista! Perfect match). The guy brings up 5 bad things about the PS3 and fanboys say "well done". Ha! Things are gettin really bad in PS3 fanboy land...
Cage @ May 10th 2006 3:34PM
Another thing Sir Brian...DVD players had been out for awhile before the PS2 was released. The PS2 did not break new ground by being one of the first players. To have a "$600 Blu-ray player" while other players are $1000 plus, I would say its going to be low quality. Do you really want a low quality HIGH DEFINITION player?!?
aariel @ May 10th 2006 3:39PM
"if you're happy in the peewee leagues, good for you. not everyone is."
*waves hand in your direction* you wish to go home, and rethink your life..