Phil Harrison defends Blu-ray format, smells like gas
Uh-oh! Phil Harrison is opening his mouth again. Time to put PS3Fanboy on spin cycle! Wait... he's actually pretty believable here. In an interview with ThreeSpeech, Phil said that certain PS3 launch titles are already nearing the point of filling the 25GB capacity of Blu-ray discs. This was in response to the notion that Sony was pushing Blu-ray only as a means to go head-to-head with HD-DVD. Next year, Harrison plans, the discs will be 50GB standard and even then "I'd expect that we'll be getting close to that in the fairly near future as well." Meaning 50GB games! Dang. How's about some compression, man? That's just an assumption, but maybe the large sizes are before any compression is done?Well, what about the claim that other current-gen systems are still using DVD's, Mr. Harrison? "DVD is not sufficient capacity to power the kind of data consumption, or to feed the data consumption needs of Cell and RSX. It's got nothing to do with movies. Just purely as a gameplay device, we need Blu-Ray to supply the kind of data that PS3 games use." Ah, indeed, indeed. That's easy to say, but we'll find out in mid-November if it's true. We'll close with a long, nifty quote. Take it, Phil. "It's not just, as you say, about movies -- it's about 7.1 audio, it's about animation, it's about high resolution textures. If you have a graphics chip capable of displaying the textures in a high enough resolution, the designers would want to exploit that benefit creatively. Don't take my word from it -- there was a great quote from a guy from EA who said that whenever there's a new disc format, you always struggle to think how developers will fill it, but they always do. I suppose that game development is like gas, it expands to fill the available space. Once you have that technical capability, the creative desire to exploit it follows very quickly thereafter." Yes. Game development is like gas.









Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
tah @ Oct 17th 2006 6:24PM
"filling the 25GB capacity" - 5GB for game and 20GB for cutscenes and/or other pre-rendered cinematical elements. the next gen war shouldn't be about who can cram as much crap on a disc (DVD or BR) but how to include the most elements gamers want while minimizing the often very long load times...
Andir2.0 @ Oct 17th 2006 7:07PM
I'm beta testing a game right now that has 8G in verteces for only the world/environment. It's a VERY detailed game, but due to the EULA, I have already told you too much. Even Dark Messiah clocks out at over 10G. Care to try again "tah"? These games are coming, and it's not cut scenes taking up the space.
Aex @ Oct 17th 2006 7:25PM
Andir, take it easy on the wii60 fanboy. They don't know better. They are afraid of a change so big it will make their systems so much less. What can you expect.
rabbits foot @ Oct 17th 2006 7:38PM
Xbox' HD DVD drive to connect to PCs, sort of
http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/10/17/xbox_hddvd/
This is the sort of functionality that could drastically boost HD-DVD adoption on the PC.
Andir2.0 @ Oct 17th 2006 7:44PM
So, posting a link to an article on how you can't do it, (but they want someone to pick up the ball and run with it) will do what exactly?
drewdrakes @ Oct 17th 2006 8:01PM
Correct me if im wrong, but isnt gas more powerful when compressed? The whole concept of the gas-powered engine being proof (look at the difference between normal combustion chambers and hemi combustion chambers, little shape change, tonnes of power)? Just a thought.
P.S. Everything will be fine, compression gets better, digital distribution gets more popular, its all good. Also, 8 gigs in vertices, holy crap. I didnt know beta testers were privy to that information. According to my rough estimates, thats hundreds of millions of vertices, apparently for the world alone? That would take quite the loading time, it would seem.
SuperHandsome @ Oct 17th 2006 9:18PM
Smells like lies: http://forums.retrothinking.com/showthread.php?t=162
microdot @ Oct 17th 2006 9:59PM
@drewdrakes
do us a favor... compress the drive your operating system is running on. then, tell us how quickly its running in comparison.
or better yet... open up photoshop... take a nice jpg image, and compress it to the max. tell us how clear it looks afterwards.
go ahead. we'll wait.
stupid fanboys.
microdot @ Oct 17th 2006 10:02PM
@ SuperHandsome
go back to your elementary school teacher... and slap the piss out of her for not teaching you to read.
"DVD is not sufficient capacity to power the kind of data consumption, or to feed the data consumption NEEDS OF CELL AND RSX."
just because you are running on old school cpu/gpu doesnt mean the rest of the world is.
better luck next time.
Andir2.0 @ Oct 17th 2006 11:08PM
I love the fact that of all the things on this site, he seems to be the only person posting "bad" news about the PS3. As a matter of fact, he seems to be the only person on the site...such credentials...
portorikan @ Oct 17th 2006 11:15PM
one doesn't need to compress to the max, only to the point of where there is little difference between the optimized and original. It's possible to do it without a noticeable difference between the two and the difference in file size is quite obvious.
Same thing with a PDF file. It can be done without noticeable effects. Large disc size formats aren't necessary now, and they won't be for a while.
Some people are just insecure.
ared @ Oct 17th 2006 11:51PM
If you give someone any amount of storage, they're going to attempt to use all the space available. What would be more telling, is how they're using the space (game, audio, etc) or if they're using the space efficiently.
Saying that an entire disc is full tells me nothing. It doesn't tell me if the game is fun, it doesn't tell me if the graphics are well done, it does tell me if it'll hold my interest, or if it controls properly, or if it is bug free.
I'm sure if a game is really great or totally disappointing, it doesn't matter if it's stored on a 25GB disc or a 9GB disc.
ndoerr @ Oct 17th 2006 11:57PM
@ Andir2.0 -- Hey, just curious... you meant me when you said
"he seems to be the only person posting "bad" news about the PS3. As a matter of fact, he seems to be the only person on the site...such credentials...", right?
Well... is that sarcasm? C'mon, man =P You're one of the few people "on our side" or something. I'm not posting "bad" news -- just news. I think what Phil says makes sense. As for being the only person on this site... Ed's here, too! *whisper whisper* We go through Joystiq, remember? It's hard to find a person willing to write pro-Sony. Let me know if I'm completely wrong about what you meant, though.
Oh... and about credentials...
http://www.amazon.com/Alerion-Destiny-Nicholas-Doerr/dp/140331862X/ref=ed_oe_p/102-2599653-1351321?ie=UTF8
http://www.amazon.com/Alerion-Destiny-Nicholas-Doerr/dp/1410797333/ref=ed_oe_p/102-2599653-1351321?ie=UTF8
Part One and Part Two, respectively. Small releases, but hey. I've got a sequel in the works as well as an independant book and a collection of short stories.
Andir2.0 @ Oct 18th 2006 8:27AM
Oh, no! I was talking about SuperHandsome.
I can't say I'd ever blast the PS3 right now actually. If you get past the anti-Sony bashing and/or don't take things out of context, things tend to be a lot clearer. The only thing that upsets me is the limited number available. With the way people work today though and limited supplies, I can understand why the reduced shipment count happened. I love the extra space on BluRay for all that content goodness and I think the Cell is yet to be tapped for it's potential.
Keep up the good news please! We need all we can get. Especially this close to release. What we need is rumor control. A lot of the stories posted in the past try to over analyze the deep meaning to what people have been saying and not looking at the hard truth of it.
Still totally psyched about the PS3 though!
ndoerr @ Oct 18th 2006 9:03AM
@ Andir2.0 -- hehe, good to know, good to know. Keep up the comments! It's nice reading a positive one between a few dozen flames. =P
tom @ Oct 18th 2006 5:41PM
25,000 MB of space, 512MB of RAM, 72Mbps (9MB/sec) transfer rate from 2x BD ROM = 46 min of load times. Woot!
(Takes the PS3 about 1 min to load 512 MB from BD ROM). Of course this isn't scientific, as different data types can be compressed on-disk (vertex data, for example) and uncompressed in system RAM, so it would only be loading a fraction of that off the disk. So I really doubt actual game load times will be that long, but to actually get 25 gigs of stuff in and out of ram WILL take 46 minutes on a 2X BD drive.
Aex @ Oct 21st 2006 7:52AM
Tom, how often do games load the full disk in one go? Correct me if I'm wrong, have studied game design and other programming techiniques due to my major, I'm no expert, but usually don't we just load in little chunks at a time when needed?
Plus, whats the worst that can happen? You pay $500 for a console that will undoubtly have great games which also plays HD movies and does other crap you probably didn't want? We as american's love to play this little game of how much things that never happened hurt/cost/affect us. It's why that woman got a multi-million settlement for spilling coffee on herself from McDonalds. In the End, its your choice, and your decision.
If you don't want to pay $500 for a console with features you don't approve of, then don't. No one is forcing you to goto the store, pick out a PS3, take it to the cash register, and shell out 500 bones + tax.
Personally, I like the Blu-ray player in the PS3 as a Blu-ray player, and I'm planning on starting a Blu-ray library after I pick up mine. Like the DVD player in the PS2, I find the PS3 meeting my needs. You, may be different :)