Can the PSP really let you watch Blu-ray movies from your PS3?
by Nick Doerr 
{ Oct 26th 2006 at 4:15PM }
No. But you can view/listen to the music, video, and other audio files stored neatly away on your PS3. Oh, and you can use the PS3's web browser on your PSP as well. So, you can't watch stuff based on discs, but if it's on the PS3 hard drive, that seems to be all right. IGN was wondering, though, what about copy-protected music put on your hard drive? We think that it'll be okay. But we can't be sure, since we don't have a unit to test it out on. So, what about you guys? Totally bummed you can't watch Blu-ray movies on the PSP? If you're wondering about playing the games, we've got something cooking up for you later on today (if I can pry myself away from Phantasy Star Universe...).
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
microdot @ Oct 26th 2006 4:55PM
i never understood the concept anyway. if you have to be within range for it to work.. why not just watch it in the much larger tv??? if the ability was there, i would hope they hadnt spent a lot of time on it, as it would be a waste.
gfella @ Oct 26th 2006 5:35PM
the concept is like location free TV, it will allow you the option of watching or listening to stored media on the PS3 at any location you have WI-FI internet access. So if you're at your local starbucks, you have the ability to access your media which is at home on your PS3 while you're in another borough chillin' in a starbucks, or perhaps at an airport waitin for your flight.
gfella @ Oct 26th 2006 5:59PM
after thinkin about my post i just realized that the PS3 is a bargain. Here's why
1- NexGen Gaming system $299 (estimated)
2- Blu-Ray (HD media) player $999 ($599 if it's HD DVD)
3- Location Free Base station $249
4- PS2 (backward compatibility) $149 ($129 depending where you purchase)
5- Media Center PC running Linux $549 (OS=Yellow Dog Linux, upgradeable 60GB HD, usb connections for keyboard , expansion memory slots, built in web browser and IM functionality and built in Wireless and ethernet card.
Total Price for all of this = $2245
Retail Price of PS3 = $599
You save = $1649
hmmmm, sounds like a bargain to me.
microdot @ Oct 26th 2006 6:20PM
im a huge ps3 fan... but unfortunately, you have a little broken logic here. no.. scratch that... a LOT of broken logic.
first and foremost... the psp from what everyone has stated thus far, makes a direct connection to your ps3. so unless you have a range of several miles on your 802.11 network... its not happening. (and no, you dont.)
if i am mistaken, and it does not make a direct connection, and uses a standard protocol (tcp/ip) you would have to setup a fairly advanced config that 99.9% of home isp's will not allow. just like location free tv, you would need a static ip, and a static one to one map or route to point that ip at your ps3 via router or modem. from this aspect, the ps3 would not only function as a basic computer, but as well, would be essentially, a web server. if this were the case... it has not been stated as of yet. i seriously doubt it has this capability though, and honestly, hope is does not, as that opens up a whole mess of security issues.
gfella @ Oct 26th 2006 7:20PM
(no sarcasm) microdot, you might be right, as i do not own a location free device or the PS3 as of yet. From what i've read, and this is from LocationFree, sounds to me that you can watch media in other places:
TOTAL ENTERTAINMENT MOBILITY
With LocationFree® Living by Sony, wherever you go, your home
entertainment will follow. Now every show, every movie, all your
created video, and even live moments can be where you are. Watch live
TV, TV programming recorded on a digital video recorder (DVR), stored
digital video, digital camcorder content, and more on a wide range of
devices, including PlayStation® Portable System, notebook computers,
TVs, and, coming this fall, cellular phones5. LocationFree® Base Stations
include LFA-PC20 LocationFree player for Microsoft® Windows® XP
(single PC license, additional licenses sold separately).
also,
NETAV STREAMING
NetAV enables you to connect your LocationFree® Base Station via a
broadband Internet connection when you’re away from home (hotel,
airport, office hot spots, etc.)3, so you can enjoy your favorite TV shows,
movies, created video content, and more wherever you go. Sony’s LF-B10 LocationFree® Base Station connects easily to your
home network and can stream live television and other video content,
with excellent picture quality, through a home network or across the
Internet3 to remote devices. Featuring NetAV streaming and the
ability to connect to Sony PSP®, Windows® and Mac OS X computers4,
TVs, and, coming this fall, Windows® Mobile cellular phones.
Now true, this is information from LocationFree base stations but i believe this holds true for the PS3, but i really dont know yet.
Here's a quote from IGN:
As mentioned before, the PSP Remote Play feature is located in network, which swaps the PS3 into a slave mode where the PSP has full remote access to the unit. SCE did not explain how you register your PSP to find your PS3 (we imagine it'll be much like the set-up of the LocationFree Remote Player, which is custom-built to be super-easy on PSP. We are also told, by the by, that a PSP update is likely due out around the time of the PS3 launch which should help facilitate some of these new PS3 features
ZRX @ Oct 26th 2006 9:11PM
The key is Dynanic DNS for the static IP.
http://www.dyndns.com/
BLite @ Oct 26th 2006 9:40PM
Nah - no need for a static IP, although you would probably need to forward ports on your router.
Most of these "use it anywhere" devices will register themselves with a central server and the end-user client can then communicate with that server to "find" the home device (ie - get the IP address and port used for the connection.)
Slingbox works in a very similar way.
A device could actually even handle the whole thing without poking incoming holes in your firewall/router, but it's a bit more complicated to implement and not necessarily the best solution for realtime applications. Networkstreaming's remote desktop solution, for example, can do this reasonably well.
microdot @ Oct 26th 2006 9:47PM
@gfella:
you didnt read enough. from sony.com:
http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=ul-F2KbxpRmHbeOw5ZSP0-ngw4VwS4DGD_I=?ProductSKU=LFB20&INT=sstyle-tvLocationFree-tophero-LFB20
"Connects wirelessly1 in your home, the LF-B20 can stream live television and other video content, with excellent picture quality, through a home network or across the Internet(3) to remote devices. "
(3) = 300kbps
Users must have at least 300 kbps of uplink and downlink bandwidth and a ROUTABLE IP ADDRESS.
(since you dont seem too tech savvy... "routable ip" translates into one of a few things: a static ip, a dynamic ip that can route port traffic, or a single line/single terminal that will accept inbound connections - your avg $45 cable connection does not have any of the above)
first problem... most typical home users (with both cable and dsl) cannot sustain 300k upstream. the typical broadband connection is still 1500/128. secondly, as i said before, you must have a static ip address, and it must be able to be routed or mapped in a 1 to 1 nat. there is no shortage of providers out there that will meet ALL of those specifications, but they are a far cry from the norm, and those that do offer it, are typically paying premium pricetags for it (usually in excess of $100/month)
@zrx:
dynamic dns is great. so you are planning on buying your $599 ps3 unit, and voiding the warranty on it immediately by stripping it down to run a homebrew type system so you would be able to use a dynamic dns setup? or maybe you are thinking sony is expecting every person to run out and jump into advanced port forwarding configs on their router so they are able to use this?
if you are able to accomplish all of the above... good for you. but lets hope you arent using time warner or comcast or shaw or any of the other hundreds of isp's that have blocked off the majority of inbound unrequested port 80 traffic as then you will have to know how, and have the hardware capable of port forwarding (which most typical home routers do not. there are plenty that do, but again... not the norm)
put plainly... CAN it happen? sure. if you have the knowledge and hardware, you can make anything happen. is this sony's intention, or even their goal with this product? absolutely not. furthest thing from. and in the process of trying, you will most likely void whatever warranty sony will have on the unit. a lot of things have to be done in order to achieve this... and it is not something a typical home user (or even a halfway moderate geek) has the capability to accomplish by either a lack of knowledge, or a by restrictions set in place by their isp.
so as i said before... its not going to be the awesomeness as described above where you just buy your ps3, plug it in, then make a trip to starbucks with your psp and sit down to watch a movie as mentioned. furthest thing from.
microdot @ Oct 26th 2006 9:56PM
@BLite
so... one of the biggest, most advanced features that would rattle the entire gaming world, has been kept quiet all this time? sony has forgotten about the fact that they have setup a network (at a massive cost as well - essentially over doubling the size and cost of the online network in both hardware and bandwidth) to allow remote connections to your account?
not likely. in fact, they would be severe idiots for not trumpeting this from the rooftops at every convention, every trade show, and every magazine.
i would love to see this. i will be setting up something similar, but i have a ds1 at my home (something extremely far from the norm) due to a package deal i have at my office. i have the static ip's to allow it. but again... if sony catered this feature to me, they would be loosing enormous amounts of cash. i am far far far from the norm here.
gfella @ Oct 26th 2006 11:49PM
No,um, i think i read enough, as is stated "...connect your LocationFree® Base Station via a
broadband Internet connection.."
broadband connections these days are about 384k upstream/4MB downstream or 768k up/8mb down (if you pay the avg. higher price of $67) Of course the ip adress given to you by your internet provider will always be routable (how else would we upload and download bittorrents, host games, and the such) and of course your NAT enabled router will handle sending all that data to and from devices(PS3, PCs) connected to it. Granted, you have to set up Port Fowarding
In fact i think it will be something like this:
1- Broadband Internet Modem (69.32.32.21 provided by Internet provider along with DNS, Subnet, and gateway info
2- Router address (192.168.2.1)
3- PS3 (192.168.2.5)
4- Setup port forwarding, virtual servers on some routers (input my TCP and UDP port numbers, which will probably be provided in the PS3 manual, enter the IP address of the PS3, 192.168.2.5)
and by golly, i think that would set me up with getting content from my PS3 over the internet. As long as i have an internet connection wherever i am.
You seem to be "tech savvy" and should be able to know this is possible in the "real world" as it, well, has already been implemented "al la Sling Box/LocationFree".
Oh yeah, also,
"300kbps
Users must have at least 300 kbps of uplink and downlink bandwidth..."
this is the "recommended" setup.
microdot @ Oct 27th 2006 12:32AM
@ gfella
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... (catching my breath) AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
your understanding of basic networking is HIlarious. hahahahaha
actually... the avg connection is close to, but still not even 1500. (held down by dial-upers) while most large cities see plenty of bandwidth, more rural areas are still lucky to see 768. but, we'll just assume everyone lives in a large city like houston or miami for the sake of your argument.
moving along... your idea of routable... again... HILARIOUS!!! hahahaha
so... by your definition, you could shoot me your dynamically allocated ip address, and i could just connect into your home pc! you are so horribly misinformed and wrong it hurts. no. you cant. now sure... there ARE plans out there and providers out there that allow this... some even set you up on a basic plan WITH a static ip. but a routable ip/port is not default for the big providers in this country (tw, comcast, etc). if you want that service, you will need to purchase a static ip from them. now... you can break it by using your own hardware and forwarding... but they do catch you eventually, and will shut you off. i have a slew of friends that are shut down and hop from isp to isp regularly for just that. (attempting to host their own mail server)
slingbox works as it connects to a central server. you find it by hitting that central server, and responding to packets sent by the host to it. it is a two way connection. as i mentioned above... this is entirely possible... but it would mean sony has been keeping its largest feature ever under wraps, for no reason. the likelyhood of this being the case is nil.
as ive said several times... yes... this can be done. anyone could do it (provided they have the bandwidth) but it is not something sony can package or promote, and not something for the avg everyday joe that will be purchasing a ps3/psp. your original post implys an out of the box, plug it in, and online anywhere type setup, and im telling you that is going to be impossible for well over 95% of the people reading this.
but... please continue to live in your fairytale world of tcp/ip connections. you can choose to continue stomping your feet and insisting on this make believe setup, or you can learn something from what im telling you. i happen to know just a smidge about this being a sys admin.
night
ff74l @ Oct 27th 2006 12:33AM
Sorry gfella, but microdot is correct here. It doesn't work like that. You cannot just get a connection, plug in a PS3, and be online. This isn't an opinion, its unfortunately fact. It would be great if things worked like that, but they do not.
simmian @ Oct 27th 2006 12:55AM
what they said. world does not turn in such ways. If you are lucky enough to have an internet company that does do things how you say and allow you to route an external ip address (most don't let ya even into the modem) then you r one of the few. not somethin sony can promote. it's up to you to make that shit happen if you can. so your first post is way off man.
gfella @ Oct 27th 2006 1:43AM
LOL, no need to stomp my feet.
And yes, actually you can connect to my computer, if i gave you my dynamically assigned ip address(the one assigned by the provider(comcast/verizon), not the non-routable address thats assigned by the router[belkin, linksys, d-link]) The problem is that being that it is dynamic, you'll only be able to connect to that address as long as the lease period is not up and the a new dynamic address hasnt been assigned by the provider(comcast/verizon). If i host a game, lets say Fracas(a fun game, download it from http://www.smozzie.com, but anyway) and we were to engage in a networked game over the internet. I would have to give you my assigned ip address(as i am hosting), we connect, we play, i beat you, you lose, we disconnect. Done this many times, with much success. Now of course I would have to allow my firewall to trust the incoming connection (yours)
In the case of the PS3 and psp, the configuration is setup(as explained above). The PSP would be configured to point to a registered name of my locationfree/PS3 device, that name would be similar in operation of how DNS works. As mentioned by Blite. The name will allow for one to connect their psp to their PS3 and stream the media to their PSP
".....Most IP addresses are dynamic, which means they can be changed from time-to-time by your ISP provider. If your IP address changes while you are away from home, you will not be able to you LocationFree Base Station back at home. A Dynamic DNS service solves this problem by tying together a “domain name” with you home IP address, so even if your IP address changes the Dynamic DNS server will still be able to direct you back to your LocationFree Base Station."
Implementation is fairly easy, In fact, now with "UPnP", it pretty much makes it easier for most people to connect something like a PS3, which will most likely be a UPnP device to a router, another UPnP device, to make configurations a non-hassle. And sure sometimes things get screwey and will have to be configured manually.
"UPnP is short for Universal Plug and Play, a networking architecture that provides compatibility among networking equipment, software and peripherals of the 400+ vendors that are part of the Universal Plug and Play Forum.UPnP works with wired or wireless networks and can be supported on any operating system. UPnP boasts device-driver independence and zero-configuration networking.
Router with UPnP enables your LocationFree Base Station configure the port forwarding automatically."
gfella @ Dec 14th 2006 1:06PM
As i always said,
http://playstation.joystiq.com/2006/10/26/can-the-psp-really-let-you-watch-blu-ray-movies-from-your-ps3/#comments
It appears that a future firmware upgrade in March will address some of these issues. The future PLAYSTATION 3 upgrade promises multi-tasking, which should help address the first concern. Secondly, you'll be able to access your PS3's media from any internet connection, a la LocationFree Player.