Peter Dille calls DS for kids in Engadget interview
Dave Karraker isn't the only Sony executive to face the mic in the past day. Our sister site, Engadget, went face to face against Peter Dille, about PLAYSTATION 3 and PSP. Just like Karraker, Dille says that the PSP does not compete directly with the DS:We're not focused on competing with the DS head to head against the consumer they're going after. If we were, you'd see a very different top-down strategy. You'd see a very different technology that would deliver to games geared towards kids. Which is for the most part what they're doing. And so when people talk about how we're doing vis-a-vis the Nintendo DS, again, it's not the whole story. We're selling a device to guys our age, who are using it to play games, to play movies, to access video on the net, music, etc. And it's a very different product than Nintendo DS... You can look at the software that they sell. All their licensed kid stuff. So, what we're doing with the PlayStation Portable is really establishing a new marketplace, and establishing, frankly, a new beachhead. And that takes time. Having said that, it's the fastest selling platform we've launched to date. We're up to 20 million units worldwide, and that's off to a great start. So, we just need to sort of set people's expectations based on what we're trying to do, not compete against a kid machine.Ouch. Calling the Nintendo DS exclusively a kid's machine sounds like something a fanboy would do. Didn't Mr. Dille get the memo? The DS is for old people too! Regardless, he makes a very good point about how the DS and PSP are targetting different consumers: they are different devices, and there's no need to directly compare the two. It's similar to how Nintendo keeps saying the Wii doesn't compete with PLAYSTATION 3: they focus on different markets, and do very different things.
Other highlights of the interview include Dille apologizing about how they didn't focus the UMD's library correctly (but they still plan on trying to expand the UMD market. Uh...). Check out the rest of the interview at Engadget to see Dille avoid some crucial PS3 info, and fail to apologize for Kutargai's insanity.
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
Ladsaber @ Nov 7th 2006 2:12PM
Well yeah the pokemon.The truth i like psp games but the battery still sucks.
"Ouch. Calling the Nintendo DS exclusively a kid's machine sounds like something a fanboy would do."
Not really.Is pretty much the kids hype that sell like pokemon and disney stuff,PSP has to learn to be kiddy to be a High seller.
"Didn't Mr. Dille get the memo? The DS is for old people too! "
Yeah but is target to the children market since their parents buy more stuff.It can be used by anyone but the truth is that ds target are the kids.
"Regardless, he makes a very good point about how the DS and PSP are targetting different consumers: they are different devices, and there's no need to directly compare the two. It's similar to how Nintendo keeps saying the Wii doesn't compete with PLAYSTATION 3: they focus on different markets, and do very different things."
Exactly.
Well if this is all please let me know when are you having news about D&D PSP and Throne of agony reviews.
pixelator @ Nov 7th 2006 2:17PM
He doesn't come right out and say the 'DS is for kids' -- He cites the different slant of marketing, which is true. The DS does have many more licensed titles geared for kids (the PSP has a few, too - but nowhere near as many).
And yeah, I'd go so far as to say I see how Sony sees their approach differently for the PSP than Nintendo does for the DS. I just don't think all of those differences have helped. Hopefully, they see that, too.
Hector Martinez @ Nov 7th 2006 3:00PM
But the DS IS a kid's toy. There's no argument to that there.
daniel-kun @ Nov 7th 2006 3:14PM
Well, I can't see how Resident Evil is a kiddy-game, though.
J-bot @ Nov 7th 2006 3:23PM
Man are you guys dense. . . Can't you see that this guy (i.e Sony)is obviously in a desparate state when it comes to competing with the DS? Hence the whole thing about not directly competing with Nintendo. This is exactly what Nintendo was doing with the Wii at first. Why? Because Nintendo had just got its butt kicked in this past generation. It's safer to say "where not directly competing with you" than to say "yeah. . . were getting creamed and there is no way around it." If the PSP was as popular as the DS you'd probably here a completely different commentary. Furthermore, his comments about the DS being a toy for kids is completely irrelavant. This is so because, for starters, there is the whole touch generation geared toward older people, and second I know a lot of adults who enjoy the occasional DS game, such as my mom, my aunt, and fellow college students. . . including . . . dare I say it. . . the casual girl! And from this guy's comments I dare say that he is completely missing the boat if Sony wants the PSP to really succeed in only, "selling a device to guys our age." I don't even think Sony would want that notion of the PSP out there; that it is merely a guys device, because then why would they release a pink PSP? . . .
Wii Wish KAZ a Merry Xmas @ Nov 7th 2006 4:18PM
I dont think the DS is JUST for kids. The DS has games for gamers of all ages. You have Nintendogs and Cooking Mama for female gamers. You have Brain Age and Big Brain Academy and Clubhouse Games for casual gamers. You have Metroid Prime Hunters, Star Fox Command, Mario Kart etc. for the hardcore gamers. Nintendo is expanding the gaming audience with the Nintendo DS and soon the Wii. Many non-gamers of all ages got into gaming for the first time thanks to the Touch Generation games.
The kids are also important though, and props to Nintendo for looking out for this demographic.
pixelator @ Nov 7th 2006 4:55PM
"Touch Generation games."
Thanks for the Nintendo adspeak, fanboy. Mario Kart isn't a 'hardcore gamer' title. I'll agree they've positioned their system optimally with titles that do appeal to many different market-expanding niches, though.
"How does it feel to be bitch-slapped by the facts?"
You tell me - because saying the DS is more of a Kid Machine than the PSP is hardly the same as saying it's JUST for kids. Nobody here or at Sony is saying its only appeal is to children.
You Nintendo trolls are on a hardcore RAMPAGE today, aren't you? Did someone take a Wii in your Cheerios, or what? The DS isn't ONLY for kids, but it's a hell of a lot more for them than the PSP is and that's ALL this guy is saying. Anyone trying to assert that a PRIMARY market for the DS _isn't_ younger gamers is barking mad.
Gameslave @ Nov 7th 2006 5:05PM
Get an eye exam, pixelator. Did he say "more of a kid machine"? No. He said "a kid machine." There's a difference.
Gameslave @ Nov 7th 2006 5:12PM
"He doesn't come right out and say the 'DS is for kids' " - pixelator
"You can look at the software that they sell. All their licensed kid stuff." .... "So, we just need to ... not compete against a KID MACHINE." (emphasis added)
How does it feel to be bitch-slapped by the facts? You can make the argument that the DS is, in fact, for kids -- I am certain you'd lose that argument, but you could at least make a case for it. But TO CLAIM THAT HE DIDN'T SAY WHAT HE CLEARLY DID SAY IS LUDICROUS.
Gameslave @ Nov 7th 2006 5:13PM
Now, I will be be the first to admit that, were we to go and ask him, he would say that he MEANT to say that the DS is MORE targeted at a kid audience, not EXCLUSIVELY so; I imagine, in fact, that he would foam at the mouth quite a bit less than you are.
However, that misses the point of this exercise: that Sony executives are on a collective power trip to the point that they are saying these ludicrous things in front of reporters, and that it's funny to point this out and laugh.
Wii Wish KAZ a Merry Xmas @ Nov 7th 2006 5:42PM
pixelator,
You're welcome. Because, you see, Touch Generation games are about using the stylus for game control. Non-gamers needed a more simple and intuitive control method to finally get into gaming, and Nintendo sure delivered!
And Mario Kart DS my friend is a hardcore arcade racing game, where you like it or not. MK DS is dominated online by hardcore gamers. You wanna' know why its a hardcore game? One word answer: Snaking. A casual gamer wont last 10 seconds online in MK DS unless he/she is playing with people who dont snake.
page @ Nov 7th 2006 5:45PM
Make no mistake, the cold hard fact is, the DS is a kids toy, nothing more, nothing less.
DiahrreaMan @ Nov 7th 2006 5:54PM
Like everyone's already said, they're both different machines, so no point in getting all worked up about it. The fact that pspfanboys get so defensive when someone says something that diminishes their system, just goes to show you that they ARE aware of the psp's currrent situation in the market today. I won't go into the argument because this is pspfanboy.com and I'm a Ninty-fanboy. Anyways, all arguments for the DS have already been put out. Please don't get mad at me, I'm just stating what everything is, if you do, it just shows your insecurities about you all-powerful psp (and it IS all-powerful, right?)
eatrice @ Nov 7th 2006 6:02PM
The DS is a such a "kid's toy" that it even made Time's (note: a kid's magazine) list for gadget of the year. Usually kids like gadgets, just like they like Apple MacBook Pro, Logitech Wireless DJ, and candy. Wow! It looks like the DS might even win the gadget of the year.
http://www.time.com/time/2006/goty/
Oh but don't worry, I'm sure Time will come out with a list of "things" for "guys our age" soon.
http://www.time.com/time/2006/things4guysourage
Andrew Yoon @ Nov 7th 2006 6:38PM
MK:DS is absolutely insane when you're online. Thankfully, I'm one of those jerks that snakes too. Triple-star, baby.
pixelator @ Nov 7th 2006 7:11PM
"I imagine, in fact, that he would foam at the mouth quite a bit less than you are."
You're the one giving it up to ad hominem blather, not me. The fact remains, he didn't say the DS was exclusively a kiddie device. Are you bored, yet?
"And Mario Kart DS my friend is a hardcore arcade racing game, where you like it or not."
I agree it's a great and classic game, but it's not a 'hardcore' game - or 'hardcore racing' by any stretch of the imagination, sorry. As for 'hardcore arcade racing', I think you're delving into oxymoron territory.
"The fact that pspfanboys get so defensive when someone says something that diminishes their system"
You mean when Nintyfans troll this site bashing the PSP? Yeah, imagine that. Because DS fanatics don't freak whenever I slam the anti-PSP blogs over at DS Fanboy... Man, you guys *define* hypocrisy.
"Non-gamers needed a more simple and intuitive control method to finally get into gaming, and Nintendo sure delivered!"
You mean they copied every PDA since the 80's, the Zodiac and Game.com. Stylus control is 'more intuitive'? You get funnier with every post you make! Yeah, playing Castlevania and having to drop everything during boss battles to scribble a frigging SEAL on the screen - that's INTUITIVE FTW!
vio @ Nov 7th 2006 7:16PM
History has kind of been re-written to distort this fact, but the PS1 actually had MORE kids games than the N64 did. No, not because the Sony was targeting kids with their console, but rather because the system was the market leader, was cheap and easy to develop for and thus had A LOT more games on it than the N64 did.
The situtation is much the same with the DS vs PSP. Nintendo is the market leader here and their system is cheap and easy to develop for, thus it has a larger library of games which equals more kids games. Not to mention it's backwards compatible with Game Boy games, giving it the largest catalog in the history of portable gaming systems. Hell, maybe the largest catalog in the history of video game systems period.
Sony is once again focusing on the 18 to 35 year old demographic and that's why their market share is rapidly shrinking. Nintendo is trying to expand gaming to many different demographics whether it be kids 10 and under, the 18-35 "hardcore" gamers or people 40 and over who have typically shied away from video games.
Sony is basically digging themselves into a hole with their never ending fixation on 18-35 year old gamers. That strategy worked well in the mid to late 1990s, but I don't think it's going to work for them any longer.
Wii Wish KAZ a Merry Xmas @ Nov 7th 2006 7:46PM
Andrew Yoon,
Triple-star here as well! :P I agree, MK DS online is absolutely insane with 4 pro racers snaking like crazy! and yes i snake as well, i guess i belong in the "Snaking is all good" camp! my nick is "racerx" online(with an purplish colored X as my Emblem) if u ever catch me!
Gameslave @ Nov 7th 2006 8:11PM
"We're not focused on competing with the DS head to head against the consumer they're going after. If we were, you'd see ... technology that would deliver to games geared towards kids. Which is for the most part what they're doing."
I may have misspoken when I implied that Peter Dille said that the DS was EXCLUSIVELY a kid-oriented gaming device, but THERE CAN BE NO REASONABLE DOUBT that he portrays the DS as kid-oriented; in his own words, "a kid machine".
And as I said above, that is not an unreasonable argument to make. The unreasonable part is that you deny he made it. I don't know if DiahrreaMan's comment is actually hitting a little too close to home for you or not, but there is obviously some serious denial going on here. Unless you're just trolling me, of course.
As for the ad hominem attack, it is not something I ordinarily stoop to, but seeing you so obviously incapable of conceding untenable ground got me incredibly frustrated. How can you look me in the (figurative) eye and deny that Mr. Dille is saying, 'Silly reporter! DS is for kids!'?
Give me Stars or Give me Death! @ Nov 7th 2006 8:38PM
Hey pixelator. Looks like you've got your hands full with all these Nintendo fanboys running rampant, so I'll leave you alone.
By the way, who the fuck are these guys to come argue with you? That's MY job.
BioniCow @ Nov 7th 2006 9:16PM
"We're up to 20 million units worldwide, and that's off to a great start."
he should add SHIPPED to that phrase.
saying psp and ds don't compete is crap, when someone decides to buy a portable console, there is the psp and the ds as the main choices. Diller cant deny it. If you insist, maybe PSP Fanboy should be moved from Video Games category to Media & Entertainment.
Touch Generations, Nintendogs, Cooking Mama, etc. are made for the casual gamer, and even better, introduce them to videogames, somethin the competition should try. If a Disney game goes to ds, it's not becouse the ds is kiddy, by the simple fact that the ds is doing better, they will pick it, otherwise, they wouldn't sell and I don't think there is someone stupid enough to do that.
The ds library is growing fast, with several exelents games, and even better coming soon. Nintendo broke the T
rating limit with the gamecube and some of the best M rated games were on the gamecube. Metroid (first multiplayer-online-portable-fps ever) , mario kart, castlevania, etc. are much some of are some of the highlights.
Most psp hits are PORTS, if psp haves a legion of fanboys, its becouse of the ps2, the psp doesn't deserve such high honors.
And to finsh, MOST guys his age are getting bald, work, are addicted to Solitarie and could be your father!
stirlo @ Nov 7th 2006 9:57PM
relax! jeez, you'd think there was an ADL for the DS...
now i'm not trolling, but seriously,
for your 10 year old cousin, would you buy them
a) PSP
b) DS
now, for your 26 year old cousin, same question
a) PSP
b) DS
Elvis Loves The Power Glove! It's So Bad! @ Nov 7th 2006 10:32PM
My DS brings all the boys to the yard,
And their like
It's better than yours (PSP),
Damn right it's better than yours,
I can teach you,
But I have to charge (Only $130)
it simply came across my mind
Shane @ Nov 7th 2006 10:33PM
"now i'm not trolling, but seriously,
for your 10 year old cousin, would you buy them
a) PSP
b) DS
now, for your 26 year old cousin, same question
a) PSP
b) DS"
The answer to both would be PSP because my 10 year old cousin finds the DS games to "kiddy".
No but seriously if I was buying for either it would be the DS because it is easier on the pocketbook. The PSP could really do with a price drop and/or a redesign.
I don't really fighting over a gaming system accomplishes anything. Competition is always a good thing.
Austin @ Nov 7th 2006 11:31PM
Guys... I worked as a camp counselor over the summer, watching over little kids... and I SWEAR just as many of the little buggers had PSPs as DS's. Kids love the PSP too.. they're both basically just fancy toys.
bo @ Nov 8th 2006 6:41AM
i dont think sony is in any position to comment on nintendo's marketing plan when they are getting outsold, outproduced, and out-marketed. no amount of five dollar words can change those facts.
Alien @ Nov 8th 2006 9:11AM
That is true , the DS is mostly for kids , and the PSP is for people between 14-30 years old ... so yeah , he is telling the truth , maybe a bit to directly , but he is .
DiahrreaMan @ Nov 8th 2006 9:45AM
*sigh* The truth hurts, doesn't it? And I mean that for both sides. PSP fanboys hate when they're told their handheld is getting "powned", and DS fanboys hate when they're told their handheld is entirely "kiddy". Like I said, truth hurts. But hey, in the long run, who's winning? All of us, because competition makes manufacturers work harder and release better games to compete, so stop all this senseless whining.
pixelator @ Nov 8th 2006 9:47AM
"I may have misspoken when I implied that Peter Dille said that the DS was EXCLUSIVELY a kid-oriented gaming device"
Correct.
"THERE CAN BE NO REASONABLE DOUBT that he portrays the DS as kid-oriented; in his own words, "a kid machine"."
I never said he didn't protray it as MORE kid oriented (which it is), but he doesn't impy it's JUST FOR KIDS.
I'm done with this. You can continue to characterize his statements (and mine) as you want, pepper your 'frustrated' machinations with insults, proclaim Sony's imminent doom, whatever. I don't really care.
As for the comment about the DS being 'more kiddied just because it has more GBA games' - not hardly.
"Most psp hits are PORTS, if psp haves a legion of fanboys, its becouse of the ps2, the psp doesn't deserve such high honors."
And most DS hits are also ports or sequels/rehash titles. Many of its top selling games are nowhere near the top in meta scores, either. Typical PSP hating fanboy anthropomorphizing the PSP in that it "doesn't deserve such high honors" (what does that even MEAN?)...
Ah, the sun sets on another day here at PSP Fanboy, the most active site for Nintendo fanboy basher/haters on the internet.
Gameslave @ Nov 8th 2006 11:41AM
"'THERE CAN BE NO REASONABLE DOUBT that he portrays the DS as kid-oriented; in his own words, "a kid machine".'"
"I never said he didn't protray it as MORE kid oriented (which it is), but he doesn't impy it's JUST FOR KIDS."
What? Are you even looking at the words as you type them? How does calling something a "kid machine" not imply it's "just for kids"? It's as if I said it was cold outside, but then turned around and claimed that that didn't mean it was cold AND NOT WARM.
Even more incomprehensible is your "agreement" with my ADMISSION OF A MISTAKE.
Gameslave: "I misspoke. My bad."
pixelator: "Yes you did."
What on earth did you imagine you were adding to the debate there?
And I never ONCE claimed that Sony or its PSP for that matter was "doomed" or even performing badly. I am just pointing out that its executives are wack jobs who say ridiculous things.
Your incredible defense of this man is at this point clear evidence of some deep-seated insecurity regarding the subject he's speaking on. Or maybe not. Whatever the case, it is clear that you are just going to ignore whatever logic I try to apply to the situation in favor of branding me a "hater". There can be no debate with that kind of person.
Prknlotpmpn04 @ Nov 8th 2006 12:17PM
wow...psp gets owned in sales and sony brings out the nintendo is for kids card..getting kinda old no? of course the ds has more kid games...it plays video and music if u got the right stuff and it has internet that with touch screen key bored is far better than psp...i have both and i use my ds so much more....the only thing i have my psp for is for when the new ff7 comes out...
pixelator @ Nov 8th 2006 4:16PM
"What on earth did you imagine you were adding to the debate there?"
Just acknowledging your admission of error. You're welcome. :p
"Are you even looking at the words as you type them? How does calling something a "kid machine" not imply it's "just for kids"? It's as if I said it was cold outside, but then turned around and claimed that that didn't mean it was cold AND NOT WARM."
*sigh* "...we're not focused on competing with the DS head to head against the consumer they're going after" - Meaning they're not trying to compete on THAT LEVEL (kid market). He also said "Which is for the most part what they're doing." Which is true, I'd say the DS is positioned more as a kid machine than it is an 18-35/female/nongamer/elderly device.
You're welcome to debate that contention, but nowhere in that interview did he say the DS was limited to or aimed SOLELY at kids. His reference to 'competing with the kid machine' was implying that it, instead of the PSP, was the preferred or main system for that section of the market, and I agree that it is.
That doesn't mean the DS doesn't have lots of cool NON KIDDIE games, mind you. It just means it has more kiddie games than the PSP, which is undeniable.
Gameslave @ Nov 8th 2006 5:20PM
"You play with the Nintendo portable when you're a younger kid, but after a while, most guys --" Dille cuts off, but clearly his thought was along the lines of, "DS for the kiddies, PSP once you grow up."
But you know what? I just realized that I've spent over a day arguing with you over a point that should have been settled BY THE VERY TITLE OF THIS ARTICLE: "Peter Dille calls DS for kids in Engadget interview".
I consider the matter closed.
Colonel Wafflejaw @ Nov 8th 2006 5:40PM
"And most DS hits are also ports or sequels/rehash titles."
First, if you are talking about Nintendo old games, every console does that. Are you saying making sequels, or rehashes of excellent franchises such as Halo, Mario, Metroid, Gran Turismo, Pokemon, Tony Hawk, Kirby, MTS, Sonic, etc. is bad?!
Second, DS games of Nintendo franchises aren't plain mirrors of the original, like the PSP games, take for example Vice City Stories, Tekken, racing games (dozens) and FPS (dozens) on the PSP and compare them to the PS2 version. You get my point? DS makes them a different way, simply becouse it's a different console and developers make them different. Touch screen is one of the reasons.
And last, ports for the psp are mirrors of the original becouse the psp is a fragil pocket-sized ps2, with some features thrown in that in the very end, never affect the gameplay.
"i dont think sony is in any position to comment on nintendo's marketing plan when they are getting outsold, outproduced, and out-marketed. no amount of five dollar words can change those facts."
Quite so.
pixelator @ Nov 9th 2006 3:20PM
"should have been settled BY THE VERY TITLE OF THIS ARTICLE: "Peter Dille calls DS for kids in Engadget interview"."
And I disagreed with the title at the outset. It's as closed as your mind, anyway.
"Are you saying making sequels, or rehashes of excellent franchises such as Halo, Mario, Metroid, Gran Turismo, Pokemon, Tony Hawk, Kirby, MTS, Sonic, etc. is bad?!"
Absolutely not - that's why I find it amusing when Nintendo fanatics bash the PSP for having nothing but ports. Many of the 'ports' are rehashes or sequels, anyway - like Vice City Stories, except sports games which I couldn't care less about.
"Second, DS games of Nintendo franchises aren't plain mirrors of the original, like the PSP games, take for example Vice City Stories, Tekken, racing games (dozens) and FPS (dozens) on the PSP and compare them to the PS2 version."
If you think Vice City Stories is a 'mirror' of the PC Vice City, you're just as bad (and ignorant) as every other PSP bashing Nintendolt. Mario 64 is far more a 'mirror' of the original than Vice City Stories is.
Are all PSP sequel/rehash titles all-new? No. Are all DS games all-new? No.
"Touch screen is one of the reasons."
No. The touchscreen controls for Mario 64 are horrid - and they don't make that or any other ported/rehashed game any more 'new'. I've been playing PDA games for years - I don't find the touchscreen on the DS innovative or, for most games that use it, fun at all.
"becouse the psp is a fragil pocket-sized ps2"
By your logic, the DS is a "fragil" (sic) quasi-N64 with broken hinges.
"i dont think sony is in any position to comment on nintendo's marketing plan when they are getting outsold, outproduced, and out-marketed."
When quoted by Nintendo fans, this means less than nothing. Pent up jealousy from the N64 and Gamecube days. Your average Ninty freak is as bad as a Mac fanatic or jilted girlfriend.
Gameslave @ Nov 9th 2006 3:28PM
"It's as closed as your mind, anyway."
Way to rebut my point. Speaking of which, why is it that you didn't respond to my ACTUAL ARGUMENT? Perhaps because you couldn't formulate an effective counterargument. If you'd like another shot at it, here it is:
"You play with the Nintendo portable when you're a younger kid, but after a while, most guys --" Dille cuts off, but clearly his thought was along the lines of, "DS for the kiddies, PSP once you grow up."
While we're at it, here's another one you sidestepped:
"How does calling something a "kid machine" not imply it's "just for kids"? It's as if I said it was cold outside, but then turned around and claimed that that didn't mean it was cold AND NOT WARM."
In your response, you examined another of his statements, which did nothing to refute that calling something a "kid machine" is literally the same as calling it a "machine" for "kids" -- which is what I said he said. Q.E.D.
Perhaps he backtracked or contradicted the "kid machine" comment elsewhere in the article. That doesn't change the fact of what he said. An article titled "Bob says he hates God" is accurate even if Bob said, "I hate God. Well, a little bit."
~~~
Now, on a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT subject:
"becouse the psp is a fragil pocket-sized ps2"
"By your logic, the DS is a "fragil" (sic) quasi-N64 with broken hinges."
Broken language aside, wafflejaw is right and you are wrong. "Broken hinges" (by which I suppose you mean the cosmetic cracks on himges) were less common than dead pixels, AND THAT ISN'T EVEN WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. What he's talking about is that you could put a DS into your average school backpack and expect it to come out at the end of the day intact; scuffed, no doubt, but playable, due to the clamshell design. The same could not be said of the PSP's lovely but delicate screen.
~~~
"i dont think sony is in any position to comment on nintendo's marketing plan when they are getting outsold, outproduced, and out-marketed."
"When quoted by Nintendo fans, this means less than nothing. Pent up jealousy from the N64 and Gamecube days. Your average Ninty freak is as bad as a Mac fanatic or jilted girlfriend."
Wow. How vitriolic. Anyway, the emotional state of the speaker is irrelevant when the facts are correct, the logic is good, and the conclusions are valid. In this case, Mr. Waffle has only (A) facts (outsold and outproduced; outmarketed is debatable) and (B) his own opinions. Since you say "quoted" you can only mean his facts, since his opinions would only be quoted from himself. The simple fact of the matter is that the DS IS OUTSELLING THE PSP. That's not a "Ninty freak" massaging the numbers; that's industry statistics. That by no means spells doom for the PSP; it may well do great as "#2 game machine; #1 tech toy". But keeping your head under the sand about the numbers makes you just as bad as a Gamecube freak trying to hang on to the fantasy that the Cube is ahead of the Xbox in North America.
Wii Wish KAZ a Merry Xmas @ Nov 9th 2006 4:58PM
Gameslave,
I've experienced the same thing while argueing with pixelator. He purposely cuts out words from comeplete sentences of mine and takes my statements out of context. Here is an example:
I said this: "Why dont u google PSP mods and you'll see two things everywhere: people replacing their analog nubs with DualShock 2 analog sticks and people sticking coins etc. on the four face buttons just so they can move more easily, especially diagnolly, in FPS games such as Syphon Filter etc."
He replied and quoted me like this: "you'll see two things everywhere: people replacing their analog nubs with DualShock 2 analog sticks"
He left out my complete sentence, which showed one of my main arguements. I'm not going to waste my time trying to have a constructive conversation with pixelator anymore because he's incapable of having one. I've had nice and decent discussions with guys like Claudius and I can say the same for you. Its best just to ignore pixelator: hes not worth it.
pixelator @ Nov 9th 2006 6:01PM
You two bitch and whine about ME taking your quoted statements out of context and then do the exact thing to this Sony interview. NOWHERE DID THE GUY SAY THE DS IS ONLY FOR KIDS. END OF SUBJECT. Yes, he used the phrase 'kid machine', but when you take the piece as a whole and everything else he said, his meaning is clear. The DS is more for kids than the PSP - and that's an indisputable fact.
"But keeping your head under the sand about the numbers"
Nice try, but NOWHERE did I dispute the fact that the DS is outselling the PSP. I said that the implications of the comment are useless when couched in the fanboyism of waffle, you and all the other PSP hating Nintendo freaks. You're all such hypocrites, it's astonishing. You exaggerate tone/intent, selectively pluck facts at will while tossing the rest, then accuse others of the same thing - even when they're not. Wow.
As for the backpack analogy, yes, you could get scratches on a PSP screen by tossing it into a backpack while a closed DS Lite would not. It doesn't mean the PSP is 'more fragile' - it means the screen is exposed. And even if you did abuse it, you can always replace the face (and back) with aftermarket shells.
"He replied and quoted me like this: "you'll see two things everywhere: people replacing their analog nubs with DualShock 2 analog sticks"
I didn't misquote you - I trimmed the coin part out because gosh, there's limited enough room for these epic length posts as it is. Your message was clear enough: People are unhappy with the analog and d-pad that analog-replacements/d-pad-coin mods are "everywhere" if you google PSP mods, meaning the problem is so BAD that lots and lots of people are doing it (which is utter bullshit).
Now you tell me if that wasn't what you were saying. Because damn, I do SO want to have NICE conversations with vocal, hypocritical, self-contradicting Nintendo trolls. If you lot thought I wasn't nice, I just don't think I could bear it.
Gameslave @ Nov 9th 2006 11:38PM
"NOWHERE DID THE GUY SAY THE DS IS ONLY FOR KIDS. END OF SUBJECT. Yes, he used the phrase 'kid machine' ..."
Way to contradict yourself.
"... but when you take the piece as a whole and everything else he said, his meaning is clear."
If we're arguing about it, maybe not. Anyway, it's irrelevant. He DID say that the DS was for kids, EVEN IF he contradicted that statement elsewhere in the article.
"As for the backpack analogy, yes, you could get scratches on a PSP screen by tossing it into a backpack while a closed DS Lite would not. It doesn't mean the PSP is 'more fragile' ..."
Actually, that's pretty much THE DEFINITION OF FRAGILE.
Look in a dictionary: "easily broken of destroyed" ... "unusually susceptible to physical harm" (in this case, as compared to the DS).
KAZ: You're right; I know that we will exploit even a single iota of wiggle room into flawed reasoning, straw man attacks, and misdirection; what has me flabbergasted in this case is that there is no wiggle room in this case, but he does it all the same. 'It's a kid machine' : 'He doesn't say that the DS is for kids'. What world does he live in? Perhaps he shares space with Rumsfeld. I don't know. But when he says, 'It's not fragile, it just breaks more easily,' a line has been crossed.
I just went from "WTF, pixelator?" to "LOL, pixelator!"
Gameslave @ Nov 9th 2006 11:39PM
If it was anyone else, I would give the benefit of the doubt ant not assume that he would turn a simple typo into an attack for the purpose of avoiding addressing the rest of my post; but as it's pixelator . . .
"We will exploit" should be "he will exploit".
pixelator, you can say it's a Freudian slip if you simply can't resist temptation, BUT DON'T YOU DARE DO THAT WHILE IGNORING THE REST OF THE POST. Unless you want to prove my argument for me, that is.
Gameslave @ Nov 10th 2006 10:31PM
I believe I already did.
pixelator @ Nov 11th 2006 7:09AM
I'm with you, Jeff. I like both - own and play both. All the screaming by the PSP bashers is hilarious. I'd say the DS bashers are equally laughable, but there's maybe one of those for every two dozen PSP haters.
Fact remains, Dille didn't say or imply that the DS was 'exclusively for kids'. Gameslave, here's all I have to say to you at this point:
"BUT DON'T YOU DARE DO THAT WHILE IGNORING THE REST OF THE POST"
...I believe a LOL is in order.
jeff @ Nov 11th 2006 9:45AM
Alright people....break it up.
AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED (and many other people have mentioned)----
Nintendo is selling more systems, for starters--can't avoid the facts. No I'm not a Ninty fanboy...
Though there is no official stat, I'm sure the PSP is selling more for their "target" audience--the 18-29 group, because Nintendogs simply won't appeal as much to them as GTA.
Not every game for the DS (Resident Evil, Metroid) is a kiddy game, and not every game on the PSP (Loco Roco) is an insanely adult appeal.
A fact is information that is true no matter what the circumstance is...quotes from a Sony exec is by no means a fact-so unless you have factual evidence---don't say "face the facts" or get "slapped in the face" by facts...an interview with a competing executive will have bias, no matter what.
For the record, I own (and highly enjoy) both a PSP and DS. Can't wait for the Wii-PS3 arguments....just a couple of weeks...
Janet Barber @ Nov 20th 2006 2:24AM
It doesn't matter what age bracket they target. These days people of all ages are into the latest gadgets. Kids as young as 5 can operate all this stuff. And folks as old as 70 can actually enjoy these gadgets. Nothing is a "kids machine" anymore. Let's just say these "machines" bring out the kids in everyone.