Japanese devs hop off the PS3 boat into the Wii wagon
by Nick Doerr 
{ May 15th 2007 at 2:30PM }
The Los Angeles Times has posted a quote from Kyoshi Shin of the IGDA (International Game Developers Association) regarding developer interest in the PlayStation 3. It isn't good. While it isn't good, that doesn't mean it isn't true. In fact, the quote pretty much explains exactly what I'm thinking in food terms. Shin said: "When people talk about the PS3 on chat forums they say it's like going to a very expensive restaurant and not getting anything to eat." This is an obvious play on Kutaragi's previous quote about the PlayStation 3 being a fine restaurant.The context of Shin's quote relates to developer interest -- namely, they're leaving the Sony restaurant and taking some drive-thru from Nintendo's Wii window (so to speak). If devs focus on the Wii, we've got a problem. Games will reverse engineer themselves to lesser graphics and scale. More minigames isn't the only issue to arise -- porting from the Wii would be nearly impossible due to the control scheme.
It's a waste of the PS3's power, too, as Kojima's quote from a long time ago will explain: "The PS3 is like the theatre, it's a little bit high-priced but it has to be high quality as well. The 360 is a DVD, it still needs to be high quality but you need more variations, while the Wii is almost like a TV channel, because every game you have it with your family." We need games that will take advantage of the PS3's power and Wii titles simply may not do that. If devs leave, there's no reason to buy a $600 console when most games are on a $250 one.
[via Gamasutra]
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
KillarClown @ May 15th 2007 3:08PM
That just sucks. While we're at it lets go back to pagers instead of cell phones.. give up cars for a horse n buggy.. and so on.. The wii is fun and all but it ain't pushin no envelopes.. these devs will fell stuck in a rut and come back.. hopefully
yomanDS @ May 15th 2007 3:09PM
So what you're saying is if the PS3 doesn't get the most games it inherently becomes a worthless system???
GRT @ May 15th 2007 3:10PM
This is bad news for both PS3 and XBox360 fanboys.
I have a Wii. Once the novelty wore off I've barely used it. I'm not a 'retro gamer' and that's what the Wii feels like. Yeah the controls are unique (and unique doesn't always mean 'good') but the graphics are pretty bad.
I think these devs are going to regret these decisions. The Wii sells like crazy, yeah, but even Nintendo will tell you that a lot of those sales are to 'non gamers'. And non-gamers aren't going to drive software sales.
shase @ May 15th 2007 3:13PM
If Sony and MS dont get the support they need this gen they will even get less next gen
due to more development costs etc. Its kinda sad but what nintendo is doing is basically
introducing so many "casual gamers" that may eventually get rid of all the great games that
could've been made. Think about it, if Wii dominates and developers all hop on that
wagon then with the lower specs there probably wont be a "Gears of war", "MGS", GTA calibur
of games - at least those that the fans of those genre would want. Instead those games will
be watered down for the low bar the Wii set.
So basically with Wii's success hardcore gamers will get screwed over and will be flooded
with mediocre games so companies can make more money.
shase @ May 15th 2007 3:11PM
If Sony and MS dont get the support they need this gen they will even get less next gen
due to more development costs etc. Its kinda sad but what nintendo is doing is basically
introducing so many "casual gamers" that may eventually get rid of all the great games that
could've been made. Think about it, if Wii dominates and developers all hop on that
wagon then with the lower specs there probably wont be a "Gears of war", "MGS", GTA calibur
of games - at least those that the fans of those genre would want. Instead those games will
be watered down for the low bar the Wii set.
So basically with Wii's success hardcore gamers will get screwed over and will be flooded
with mediocre games so companies can make more money.
mccomber @ May 15th 2007 3:18PM
And so the video game landscape will look like the tv listings, with mindless crap dominating. Let's face it, the ps2's overall game spectrum wasn't exactly awesome. There were those great games that stood head and shoulders above, but there was even more crap floating down below that still sold to people who didn't know/care.
Right now I don't care if the ps3 leads since I know I'll get a 360 sometime in the next year, but I don't want the Wii's style of gaming to become the norm. Most of it's titles suck overall, with the first party stuff, as it always is with Nintendo, being about the only titles worth buying.
bag0rice @ May 15th 2007 3:22PM
Nintendo seems to have Japan lock. 360, for now, is doing very well in the US. It's a good thing the PlayStation brand is so strong in Europe or it could be really really bad. It's still a toss up down under but at the price it is down there, something has to give. But this is bad news for both PS3 and 360.
yomanDS @ May 15th 2007 3:33PM
Sony defense force ASEEEEEEEEEMBLE!!!!
http://www.thegogame.com/brownie/signup/gamedayphoto/Wonder%20Twins.jpg
alienclay @ May 15th 2007 4:01PM
well, money wise, because the power of wii is so weak, a lot of them 'weak games' are made/ported to/from the huge undeniable install base of ps2. (call me stupid but i picked up and enjoyed raving rabbids on ps2) sony wins either way as old ps2 users take their sweet time picking up ps3's because so many great games continue to rock the system. when sony finnaly gets around to releasing the lcd for ps2 slim expect sony to be the only ones dropping real competition in all territories even if it fails to dominate like last gen.
Vincent060 @ May 15th 2007 4:01PM
@yomanDS
You're a little late there buddy. Everyone is already here.
Now back to the topic at hand. All I say is wait until Sony drops a 1st-party game and it will all be alright. As soon as they release the new "Shadow of the Collossus" or the new "Legend of Dragoon", people will be all over it. Every Sony-made game have been unmatched so far. Or maybe wait for GT to show how great the graphics really can be like they did for the PS and PS2.
Next-Gen-Gamer @ May 15th 2007 4:02PM
Tad slow, PS3 Fanboy? This very thing was brought up in an article you sourced days ago.
As for the remark itself, does anyone seem surprised? I'm not trying to be a dick, its a serious question.
MRBlue @ May 15th 2007 4:43PM
Here is what I find amazing. The PS3 is obviously lagging behind its competitors but it's not really as bad as everyone is making it out to be. Consider that the system doesn't have a killer app (yet), no games that really show the power of the system; and yet they're still hanging in there and after showing up a year late to the party has managed to kick the crap out the 360 in Japan.
Obviously this is due mainly to branding but things can only get better from here.
Look at the GOOD things coming down the pipeline:
SingStar - The first and ONLY music download store for a game console enabling millions of armchair Simon Cowell's to comment on what is essentially a huge combo of American Idol and YouTube.
LittleBigPlanet - The first and ONLY game that offers easy to build levels that can be shared and rated by others. And with the game being so scalable you just know someone is going to dress up the 'sackboys' in Matrix trenchcoats and recreate scenes from the movie.
Home - the first and ONLY virtual online communal system on a game console offering matchmaking capabilities once only available to PC users. Sharing information, forming clans, and just messing about will be more interactive than anything Microsoft currently offers. As for the upcoming Mii's from Nintendo; graphically it can't even compete and with practically no games online there won't be much "follow me to Motorstorm" action going on.
I don't dismiss the fact that the PS3 has had a rough start (check that, a crappy start) but I faith that before the year is out people will be lining up (to buy and keep this time) to get a PS3. Especially if they lower the price. Moreover, if MS decides to release a Blu-Ray add-on for the 360. Xbox fans will be screaming bloody murder if that happens.
MRBlue @ May 15th 2007 4:58PM
One last thing, Killzone is going to drop kick Halo 3. I've seen it and although it's still 6 months out I'm not impressed.
Looks like Halo 2 sprayed with Windex.
Otsego_Undead @ May 15th 2007 5:03PM
The novelty of the Wii will wear off... and quick... like another poster said, i barely touch mine now that ive had it for a few months.
One thing that i think alot of people just "dismiss" is the back library... a library that the xbox cant touch.. including LOADS of exclusive titles. This is my 1st playstation, and im having a blast.
I think thats something Sony needs to trumpet a bit more (especially since the slow development time for ps3 games, which i understand).
Devs are flocking to the wii for a few reasons:
$$$$- always the green. i cant say i blame them.
easy dev- how hard is it going to be to dev for a gamecube.5?
Quicker dev time- see above.
but once we get more killer games and apps (also mentioned in other posts) the excitement for the wii will be over and people will want those killer graphics. Sony is also doing a fine job with the system updates..new features seem to come every month or so. cant say the same for the wii. Im VERY happy with my PS3 purchase.
suerlink @ May 15th 2007 5:09PM
umm guys ive got a wii im a harcore nintendo gamer i fell left out only 1 harcore game ive seen come is twilight princess great no other games that really intrest me except redsteel (yes redsteel was cool)
umm im getting a x360 soon so i look forward to it ssbb super smash brawl online is like halo 3 online (just waiting for it) umm wii online is coming xbox360 online here, beta invite tonight (goin to cousins to play it tonight.. umm ps3 online stinks (cousin has ps3 alot online stinks not fun) ps3 home?? just a copy of wii mii chanel and things on wii ****this is why sony fails they are like sega the genisis great! all others ..fail so sony needs to accept defeat and get back in shape before they lose all markets like all non game things they are still great in that but need to fix their market there FAST! also wii controls awesome! (just if u use them right) xbox-xbox360 great i play halo 1,2,3 (when 3 is here and beat ll others) but yah thats my outlook on this any one else? ***(sorry for the personal details just their for those with questions)****
suerlink @ May 15th 2007 5:13PM
sorry about all spelling and grammar errors in above context of mine
suerlink @ May 15th 2007 5:15PM
sorry about all above context errors on my typing
yomanDS @ May 15th 2007 5:15PM
"If you're going to troll, you could at least attempt to do a decent job of it, and post something clever. You failed. Too bad."
That's good because it was never my intention to "troll". I simply wanted to point out how desperate some of the commentators are to defend the PS3. They make up some rather obscure arguments to why "if PS3 fails, videogames in general fail". I know I am not the first to use it but when it comes to stories like this the "sony defense force" line fits like a glove. I apoligize if I sounded a little antagonistic about the matter.
As I said in my first comment, even if MOST of the games go to wii it doesn't spell disaster for the PS3. The system will still have plenty of great games even if it doesn't live up to your insatiably high expectations.
Jebus Crust @ May 15th 2007 5:21PM
I have been saying this for months now. I do not care if it is a "fun" party machine. If it continues in it's success, we as gamers are screwed. Why would Sony and Microsoft spend millions on developing new hardware when the FRACKING Plumber can put 7 YEAR old tecnology in a new box and call it next gen.
Frack Nintendo....AKA the Plumber
Frack the Nintenbots or as I like to say The Plumber Boys
Wake up people b4 it is too late.
DO NOT buy into the Plumbers crap...all you are paying $250 for is a GameCube with a motion sensing controller.
suerlink @ May 15th 2007 5:23PM
im not expecting alot from the ps3 now) the ps2 and ps1 great! but the ps3 not happy its killing sony and
they need to salvage what they can of the company soon!
coyurtney @ May 15th 2007 5:26PM
To those people who said the Wii wore off and I never play it anymore. Well you still own it and when the good games come , you will buy them. Hurting Sony in the long run.
For me ( a owner of the 360 and Wii) I still see no reason at all or any reason coming yet to own a PS3. When I do I may get one but right now as far as game go. MGS4 and FF13 are not enough, especially since those may go to the 360 sometime anyway.
suerlink @ May 15th 2007 5:42PM
i know (jebus christ) im a harcore gamer i feel over run by NEWB GAMERS and all nintendo is thinking of is the new idea* ive supported nintendo for years since nes i supported ps1 and 2( and now where are they sony pays attention to gamers nintendo no good games no hardcore games no games to say thanks for supporting us for all this time yah i need better games not cheap crap
SuicideNinja @ May 15th 2007 5:44PM
I still think this will only be a short term situation. Consumers will follow the console that has the games they want. Well...current gamers will.
The Wii is better at gathering new gamers than appeasing old gamers. I like to play the Wii and all...but it's shortchanged just like the PS3 is in the games department. The Wii's price makes it the most accessible, and Wii Sports is enough to keep things rolling for a bit longer.
suerlink @ May 15th 2007 5:47PM
also im with the last poster im goin to still support nintendo until good games come ps3 no buy xbox 360 buy!
Tahiri @ May 15th 2007 6:05PM
I'm a hardcore gamer, and I fear a downfall of gaming due to Wii.
Popfrogs @ May 15th 2007 6:04PM
Nintendo could kill the console gaming market as we know it with the Wii. If developers keep migrating to the least common denominator, and enjoying all the bags of money they make from super cheap development costs, we're all doomed. Video gaming will be stuck in the same rut it was in before Nintendo brought out the NES in the '80's. This time around there might be 2 Dreamcasts.
Not saying it's very likely but the worst thing that could happen is Nintendo dominating this generation with their junk hardware.
Next-Gen-Gamer @ May 15th 2007 6:13PM
"Consider that the system doesn't have a killer app (yet), no games that really show the power of the system; and yet they're still hanging in there and after showing up a year late to the party has managed to kick the crap out the 360 in Japan."
That sounds a lot like another console I've heard of. In all seriousness though...if that's your reasoning for why the PS3 isn't as bad as everyone says it is, you're quite uninformed. The Wii launched last, still doesn't have *the* killer app., is "underpowered", and is currently outselling the competition in nearly everywhere on a monthly basis.
"Hanging in there" isn't good enough.
"LittleBigPlanet - The first and ONLY game that offers easy to build levels that can be shared and rated by others."
Well, I'll agree that LBP looks great, and will probably play just as great. However, don't start making claims that aren't true. There's numerous games that offer easy-to-build levels that can be shared. One of which launched on Wii last year. Obviously it isn't the same game by any stretch, but it does what you say LBP is going to do first/only.
"One last thing, Killzone is going to drop kick Halo 3. I've seen it and although it's still 6 months out I'm not impressed.
Looks like Halo 2 sprayed with Windex."
Okay, there's a few things that should be said about this. First off, Killzone 2 doesn't have the install base needed to beat a high profile 360 game. Second, as you said, we're 6 months out. And third, IGN got a chance to see what Killzone 2 is going to look like graphically (in-game, of course), and they're already saying it looks like shit. I guess what I'm getting at is...don't be so quick to judge.
"but once we get more killer games and apps (also mentioned in other posts) the excitement for the wii will be over and people will want those killer graphics."
Really? And if these developers are leaving the PS3 for Wii...who's going to make those killer games? I'm not saying one is better than the other. I just don't understand that, if developers are bailing out this early, what the difference is going to be a year from now, when the only guaranteed killer apps. are built to appeal to a Western audience.
"Nintendo could kill the console gaming market as we know it with the Wii. If developers keep migrating to the least common denominator, and enjoying all the bags of money they make from super cheap development costs, we're all doomed."
Right. Did you ever stop to think that everyone calling themselves "hardcore" gamers are the ones killing the market? Seriously, how many Sci Fi-military shooters do we need? How many years will sports games do exactly what they did 6 years ago? How many GTA III clones must we live through?
You want to talk about enjoying "bags of money"? Check out nearly everything that's come out of EA, Ubisoft, Activision, and THQ over the last 12 years. Same gameplay, differen't graphics.
Doing the same thing repeatedly isn't going to somehow change the decline of the market.
coyurtney @ May 15th 2007 6:21PM
You said it Next_gen better then I could.
I really don't understand the Wii ruin gaming. I mean for one thing if the big devs get their ass together they can make really big, nice looking games on the Wii. Look at God Of War 2 on PS2, looks great, good enough.
And there are great big games selling well on the 360, so I think what most of you need to realize is that PS3 may not be what it once was and that we now have the 360 for graphics and the Wii for a new style.
Jebus Crust @ May 15th 2007 6:47PM
"most of you need to realize is that PS3 may not be what it once was"
What it once was? Are you that dumb? It came out in November...it does not even have the killer ap yet.
Geez
And of course...remember this article...I will keep bringing it up until morons like u figure it out.
Don't buy that PlayStation
It's overpriced and has no online access, and hardly any good games are available to play on it.
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By Jim Lynch
Oct. 27, 2000 | Whether or not Sony was sincere in its claim that a supply crisis led it to cut its initial shipments of the PlayStation2 to just 500,000 units, there's little question that the corporation was successful in the arena of hype marketing. Lines of obsessed PlayStation fans were a news staple Wednesday. But is the so-called superconsole really worth staying up all night for?
No. The PS2 is not the revolutionary device that Sony's marketing department would have you believe. Don't get me wrong; it's definitely the most powerful video-game machine on the planet right now. But that's not enough.
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The PS2's stats are certainly impressive; it's got hardware power to burn. But so what? There's just not much software available that can take advantage of it. The games that are being released at the same time as the system don't rise much, if at all, above games available for Sega's rival (and cheaper) Dreamcast video-game system.
And don't expect a huge number of quality games anytime soon. Sony has reversed positions with Sega and stupidly released a system that is in many ways a game developer's nightmare. Sega, learning from its Saturn debacle, went out of its way to make the Dreamcast easy to develop games for. But Sony, intoxicated with success from the first PlayStation, forgot the first rule of the video-game industry: Software sells systems. If you make it hard for developers to produce good games then there's no reason for people to buy the system. This oversight has already cost Sony some goodwill -- developers are howling about how hard it is to create games for the system. In an interview with Time magazine, John Carmack, one of the developers behind such massively popular games as Doom and Quake, said that the "PS2 is definitely more powerful than Dreamcast. But it's less convenient to extract performance from it."
Sony is also under the mistaken impression that including the ability to play DVD movies is a huge selling point. But true technophiles and hardcore gamers probably already have DVD drives. I'm a good case in point. I already own a Sony DVD player, so I could not care less if the $299 PS2 can play movies. I'd rather pay less and get a machine that just plays games instead.
In comparison, the Sega Dreamcast sells for $149 and has a giant library of games already available. Sega also has an online game network, Seganet. The Dreamcast comes with a built-in 56K modem and Sega will soon release a broadband (cable/DSL) adapter for it. (The PS2 does not ship with a modem.) Sega is banking on the appeal of multiplayer online gaming, even going so far as to rebate the entire cost of a Dreamcast to players who sign up for Seganet. And for the first time ever we actually have cross-platform online gaming -- Seganet lets Dreamcast players compete against PC players in games like Quake 3. Sony, on the other hand, is promising online gaming later on but currently has nothing to offer purchasers of the PS2.
In addition to Sega, Sony also has two 800-pound gaming gorillas breathing down its neck: Nintendo and Microsoft. Nintendo plans to release its powerful GameCube system next year. Don't downplay Nintendo's chances either. Despite having a rocky time with the N64, Nintendo has some of the most lucrative franchises in video-game history on its side (Zelda, Super Mario Brothers, Metroid, etc.) and a superb marketing machine.
The real wild card here, though, is Microsoft, which plans to release its X-Box game system next year. The X-Box will have even more powerful hardware than the PS2, and Microsoft has the marketing muscle and rapport with developers to do the PS2 real damage. Unlike Sony, Microsoft is taking great pains to make sure the X-Box is easy to make games for -- developers will also be able to easily port games from the PC to the X-Box, thus insuring a huge supply of games.
So should you feel bad if you can't get a PS2 right away? No way. If you wait a while you'll avoid all the lines and scuffling in stores and you'll end up with a much better selection of games. And if you wait long enough for the upcoming systems from Microsoft and Nintendo, you'll probably see a cut in the price of the PS2 as Sony tries to ward off both threats.
Hardcore gamers aren't known for their patience, but this is one occasion when playing it smart may mean not playing at all. For now.
The Wee needs to stay with the casual gamer...Keep the real games off of that poor excuse for a console.
Saying how much it has sold does not mean it is a good console.
The average person is an idiot.
coyurtney @ May 15th 2007 6:58PM
@Jebus Crust
come on dude, you know I meant Sony in general not just the PS3.
Now how come you can't take the Wii out of the picture and see that this time the next-gen Grpahic powerr house leader could very well be the 360?
There are so many reason's why the PS3 is not the PS2 in it's same time period.
Just check this out:
http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=1&cId=3155102
mccomber @ May 15th 2007 7:03PM
Okay, there's a few things that should be said about this. First off, Killzone 2 doesn't have the install base needed to beat a high profile 360 game. Second, as you said, we're 6 months out. And third, IGN got a chance to see what Killzone 2 is going to look like graphically (in-game, of course), and they're already saying it looks like shit. I guess what I'm getting at is...don't be so quick to judge.
I agree with the first two things you're saying completely, but wasn't the build the press saw not exactly game footage?
""Please remember that we're showing you this footage as an example of our technology," stated Harrison before running the b-roll. "Keep that in mind when looking at it and don't think of it as looking at the game directly.""
In fact, nowhere in the article on ign do I see them saying it looks like shit...
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/770/770996p1.html
Xiru @ May 15th 2007 10:08PM
I agree with a lot of you here. I camped my Wii with some friends and loved it the first week I had it. Then it wore off and I was looking for more. Now that I'm hearing that 3rd parties are jumping ship, I'm worried for my PS3. I love the system and all the technology and its potential. I live for the day that a new Shadow of the Colossus comes out. But as its looking now, that won't happen. The Wii is outselling the PS3 10 to 1 in Japan. If this keeps up, the PS3 and 360 will be nothing but a memory in a few years. The Wii can single handedly bring down the gaming market. Developers won't spend the time and money it takes to develop an amazing game like FF13. They will make games for the system with the biggest install base. This would not be a big problem if they Wii wasn't so underpowered and limited in terms of controls. All I ask for from Nintendo is that if they win this generation, to release a more powerful console in 3 years with motion control AND traditional controls(having just motion control is very limiting for some types of games)I just want to have a choice like with the DSor even the PS3. Something like a beefed up SNES controller with analog. (Not the crappy Classic Controller). Anyway, I like the post about 2 dreamcasts this gen, because thats exactly what will happen if the Wii steals all the 3rd parties. Nintendo might have just destroyed the hardcore gaming market. I had no idea this could even happen. Only time will tell.
Next-Gen-Gamer @ May 15th 2007 10:39PM
"I agree with the first two things you're saying completely, but wasn't the build the press saw not exactly game footage?"
I never said they saw the game. I said they saw what the in-game graphics are going to be like. Besides, what they show is usually a tech demo built to get the best results out of a graphics engine. The game itself is going to be full of grays, browns, and maybe some greens. If anything, the game itself is going to look worse.
"In fact, nowhere in the article on ign do I see them saying it looks like shit..."
That's because it wasn't said in the article. It was said through blogs. I'll search for the IGN crew's blog entries regarding what they saw. Also, it was brought up during episode 49 of IGN Weekly, that the game doesn't even come close to the video was saw at E3.
samfish @ May 16th 2007 1:06AM
"Think about it, if Wii dominates and developers all hop on that wagon then with the lower specs there probably wont be a "Gears of war", "MGS", GTA calibur of games - at least those that the fans of those genre would want. Instead those games will be watered down for the low bar the Wii set.
So basically with Wii's success hardcore gamers will get screwed over and will be flooded with mediocre games so companies can make more money."
That's ridiculous. I'm so tired of hearing that talking point.
If Nintendo comes out on top, it'll likely mean a move toward consoles that AREN'T freakishly over powered...which is exactly what the PS3 and 360 are, given the history of video games.
Prior to those two systems, consoles were generally behind a generation BECAUSE it kept costs down.
You should WANT consoles that are somewhere between the Wii and PS3, power-wise. That would be affordable and development costs would be more reasonable.
But today we have the exact opposite – consoles are actually AHEAD of PCs and arcades, mostly.
The only way "hardcore" games like MGS and Final Fantasy are going to "die" is if development costs become to high. NOT because there are more people buying 'casual' games. There'll always be an audience for big, epic style games. Those games still rake in a shit load of money when they're successful just from the 'hardcore' crowd alone.
No company is going to alienate a cash-loaded niche market if they can help it.
Next-Gen-Gamer @ May 16th 2007 1:49AM
Let's be a little more honest though, samfish. As much as I enjoy the Wii, and anticipate some very interesting games, I think there's still that one big issue people can't get over. Forced innovation. That's what the Wii is for. By creating the Wii, Nintendo pretty much told developers that they can keep using the same decade-old formula for their games, but they won't be sold on a Nintendo platform.
Not everyone wants to be forced into anything, especially something new. That's not to say that it was a bad move. It just wasn't the safest move (far from it).
I'm just glad that the Big 3 are trying new things. While the 360 and PS3 aren't as bold as to completely re-configure their controllers, they are still pushing certain boundaries. And to be honest, not every company has to do what Nintendo did. If all three consoles were based on motion controls, we'd be screwed.
Can you imagine what may come out of new consoles in the next generation? More user-created content. More user-based games such as LittleBigPlanet. Motion (if you so choose). Even better graphics. Guaranteed HD. Likely a Blu-ray format. Guaranteed hard disk drives.
The point is, each console isn't without it's faults. That being said, each console has something to be greatly interested in.
chazz06 @ May 16th 2007 3:00AM
Ok ok ok...let's all just take a deep breath and slow down for a bit. There are so many slippery slopes in here it's just ridiculous.
Nintendo selling more consoles this generation isn't going to have that much of an effect on the 360 or the PS3. Nintendo is pretty set in the type of games it wants to have on their system, which to me seems like a bit of everything, since it's supposed to be for everybody. Nintendo isn't going to get all of the super high tech games because of it's hardware, even though being underpowered doesn't mean that games like that can't happen on the Wii.
The 360 and the PS3 are going to be the ones vying for the most hardcore games. That is what they seem to be targeting. These games will continue to be developed. Simple as that.
Seems like since the sony brand has been number one in console sales for the past two generations, a lot of you fanboys are more worried about having a console that isn't "#1" more than the games. All this mess most of you are spewing is nothing more than a popularity contest. Stop crying and play the damn games you wanna play. Jeez.
Next-Gen-Gamer @ May 16th 2007 3:54AM
chazz06
Nicely said.
mccomber @ May 16th 2007 2:40PM
"I never said they saw the game. I said they saw what the in-game graphics are going to be like. Besides, what they show is usually a tech demo built to get the best results out of a graphics engine. The game itself is going to be full of grays, browns, and maybe some greens. If anything, the game itself is going to look worse.
That's because it wasn't said in the article. It was said through blogs. I'll search for the IGN crew's blog entries regarding what they saw. Also, it was brought up during episode 49 of IGN Weekly, that the game doesn't even come close to the video was saw at E3."
But, according to Harrison (for what it's worth to you) the footage shown at the GDC wasn't in-game from the standpoint of graphics, it was meant as a tech demo for the tools being used to create the game. I'm not going to argue that most impressions of the graphics were poor, since everyone stating an opinion on them has said that. I'm just pointing out that from what was said by Phil before he showed the video, it wasn't meant to be a view of how the game would look, but was more of how it would run, if that makes sense. I think the actual IGN article made that point and spoke to that idea, even if the blogs and opinion pieces from that site said that graphics looked like shit.
more impressions:
http://videogames.yahoo.com/gamepreview?cid=1951039622&tab=previews&page=0&eid=508134
http://videogames.yahoo.com/newsarticle?eid=508137&page=0
pixelsword @ May 23rd 2007 12:23AM
I wouldn't worry because *Ahem* how many casual gamers will buy a $60 game? How many casual gamers will buy a cheaper game that will take dedication? Or skill? Or time? Yes, Japanese programmers may be jumping ship, but all they are doing is putting themselves further behind. You can't run from advancement and expect to just "catch up" without paying some serious tutorial money or take a huge hit timewise to make a next-gen game. And don't worry: outside of Shigeru Miyamoto, no other truly "big" name exists in Japanese gaming outside of Hideo Kojima, and right now he's developing for the PS3. He'll be the Julian Eggebrecht of Japan, as he'll be the most technically proficient developer for making not only PS3 games, but (if he wanted to) ports as well, just like Mr. Eggebrecht (Mr. Eggebrecht is only developing for the PS3, though; no word on Kojima thus far).