Silent Hill 5 interview ... if PS3 sells, it could be exclusive
Finally, it looks like Silent Hill 5 is bursting forth from the loins of Konami and scaring the bejeezus out of people. No, we don't have any screenshots and yes, we made all of that up, but we do have an interview with one of the creative minds behind the game. Masashi Tsuboyama, chief director, answers some questions in the latest Electric Shock magazine. Here are the points of interest:- Konami and the team behind Silent Hill have looked at the current consoles and concluded they all have limitations that hamper their ideas for the game and delay progress. Except the PlayStation 3.
- No multiplatform plans as of yet. But the sales of PS3 are slow so they may have to reconsider later on down the road if things appear dismal. Which of course means delayed progress and not taking advantage of the PS3's power.
- Tsuboyama claims Blu-ray will be a very necessary asset in their development of the game.
- The PS3, he says, is tough to work with, but when they get used to it, the processing power will be far beyond the other consoles.
Keep an eye out at E3, as Tsuboyama seemed to clam up about the game when asked if anything would be shown. Perhaps he's being a tease, but we'd like to believe that the rumors regarding the game's progress are true. The game isn't a system seller, so we expect either a timed exclusive or simultaneous multiplatform release with the 360 -- with the game smartly built originally on the PS3. Keep your fingers crossed, and keep those mannequins out of dimly lit apartment buildings!
[via PS3 Forums]
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
lenny0487 @ May 30th 2007 7:59PM
Another Developer that Claims Blu-ray is a necessity for gaming. any cons with that?
OrganicShadow @ May 30th 2007 8:00PM
The game isn't a system seller? Speak for yourself!
In all honesty though I think they will pull a SH2/SH3, but that's fine. I just hope they wait longer before releasing the xbox versions this time. SH2's PS2 and Xbox release were what, 2 months apart?
kingofwale @ May 30th 2007 8:21PM
well, I am going to buy this regardless, I hope a few more people will buy this just to keep it an exclusive.
but then again, Sony fanboys aren't as hardcore as that. and THANK GOD for that.
matjet @ May 30th 2007 8:30PM
excellent.
this is all according to plan.
ha! Take that any lurking trolls! bluray IS necessary.
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BlackBeltJones @ May 30th 2007 8:47PM
honestly the ps3 probably won't sell enough by the time this comes out to justify exclusivity. On a podcast I listend to (I think it was 1up Yours) they mentioned rumors of rumblings within the industry that if PS3 had 3 consecutive months of 100,000 units sold or less (2/3rds of the way there as of april and I don't think any big releases will push ps3's in May) 3rd party releases would start showing up as defacto 360 exclusives until the ps3 started showing a larger market share.
Breeze @ May 30th 2007 9:09PM
I love it when Japanese developers bitch slap Xbox 360 fanboys for their underpowered console.
L @ May 30th 2007 9:18PM
"bluray IS necessary"
for years games have come out on muti DVDs/CDs .... so i really don,tknow where these guys get off sayin its necessary
Strike Man @ May 30th 2007 9:23PM
Are people actually shocked that a developer who has mainly produced PS2 titles over the last few years (with some eventually being ported to other platforms) has good things to say about the PS3 to...Dengeki Playstation? Color me shocked.
The article also doesn't really go in-depth as to what the "limitations" he mentions are, so it may boil down to nothing more than a bunch of magnetic platters. He speaks praise for the PS3's ability to install data to the HDD, something which isn't done on the 360 pro (which basically has a temp cache) and cannot be done on the 360 core.
Either way, I agree with the prediction that it'll either be a multi-platform release, or a timed exclusive. There is virtually zero financial benefit, short of a giant wad of cash, for a third-party company like Konami to keep their games exclusive to one platform.
silence @ May 30th 2007 9:29PM
*Cough* Propaganda *Cough*
L @ May 30th 2007 10:26PM
@10 see the thing is because the 360 has a DVD drive it can stream data from the drive faster it uses compression alot....
come on disc 11 ...... 99 gig game with compression what a joke ...
look read what it says ... ok we need this that and this ...... but o yey emmmm it may go multi platform which does not have any of them!
so the games getting made on the PS3 for the PS3 so theres no problem there ...but if it does come to the 360 it will look just as good
Tanya @ May 30th 2007 10:37PM
Oh goody! More SH news!!! I don't care if the game goes multi platform as long as it's on the PS3 I'll be happy. My god what could they be cooking up for this game!!!!!??!!! I hope they have a snipit of something to show at E3, anything!!!!! I need my Silent Hill fix!!!!
silence @ May 30th 2007 10:39PM
News alert:
Majority of 360 owners don't care much for the VERY overrated FF series.
Otherwise they would have bought a PS3 no? Silly fanboys...
Xantnius @ May 30th 2007 10:43PM
I'll buy this game just because of these comments. I want this to be PS3 exclusive. Everyone says there should be no exclusives, but that is stupid because it only hurts the PS3 and not the 360. PS3 can match anything developers do on 360 first but the other way around is not true. So if there are no exclusives, the power of the PS3 will go untapped. Thats how I see it anyway as of lately. I might be wrong, but I really want to see what the PS3 can do.
Tanya @ May 30th 2007 10:46PM
Oh and while I have no interest in getting a Wii and Wii specific SH game would definitely get me to buy one! ^_^
thebigfatj @ May 30th 2007 11:39PM
If a developer is saying Blu Ray is necessary for a game type like this, or Metal Gear Solid, it is propaganda. Kojima has released Metal Gear games on multiple discs before, you know. Releasing games like Silent Hill on multiple discs is the trivial case. It can be done, and there's nothing to stop you from doing it.
Jaffe himself, a Sony first party dev, said that Blu Ray was a mistake. Anyone hear of God of War?
Once developers figure out how to "unlock the secret power of the PS3" it will just become insanely powerful and obsolete every computer in existence. Or maybe it just has a processor with 1/3rd as much general purpose CPU power as the 360 and several dedicated floating point units (more or less). Sure, it's a monster at floating point performance, but that's not going to be some magic that needs to be unlocked.
The system has less flexible memory than the 360, for example, which is a significant deal. It has more overhead. It doesn't have enough general purpose CPU power. It has less fill rate. There is no magic that can change those things.
There's clever programming, there is realizing more of the potential of a system, and there is brilliant art. These things *will* benefit the PS3 as time goes on, and also will benefit the Xbox 360.
Despite all of the current evidence (games already released) showing the 360 as more capable than the 360 in terms of pure gaming and rendering, we see Sony fanboi constantly clinging to some hope that secretly and way in the future some developers are going to stop being lazy and truly unlock the power of the PS3.
I don't have a 360. I do have a computer science degree, though.
Daniel T Lawson @ May 30th 2007 11:40PM
If multi=platform comes up in Japan in a platform centric mag it's probably going to be multi-platform... Silent Hill has never been on just one system anyway... it's at least had a PC counterpart... and if you want to you can say that it's always been released on a Microsoft platform.
JacKal @ May 31st 2007 12:10AM
I can see why this is a fanboy list... no offense, but the bullet points on this blog post don't really honestly reflect what was said in the interview, with the exception that they do believe blu-ray would be nicer for next gen content (as well as the hdd install feature that Genji uses; I assume this is the hdd streaming tech that has been talked about before).
Breeze @ May 31st 2007 1:32AM
@thebigfatj
Anyone with a C.S degree would not have stated that the 360 is able to process A.I better than the 360. Anyone who makes a stupid comment like that either has no programming ability or is a graduate of Oral Roberts University with an emphasis on Oral.
Also, the reason Jaffe stated that Blu-ray was a mistake is because he thinks the cost of the PS3 is too high. It's not because he doesn't appreciate the technology. BTW, he's stated that he's only going to focus on downloadable games from now on, so his opinion on Blu-ray is rather moot.
Why don't you tell us why A.I on the 360 is superior? I'm anxious to hear your comedic response. Can you also answer this question:
Whats the result of:
A B
|8 9 3| |3 6 5|
|7 3 4| x |5 2 9|
|8 2 7| |6 4 7|
What is A x B
What is the determinant of A and B
BlackBeltJones @ May 31st 2007 3:16AM
@Breeze
I hate... so much about the things that you choose to be.
SwissArmyBud @ May 31st 2007 4:11AM
@18 - Anyone who thinks they can throw questions around like you do ought to double check what they type, a la "Anyone with a C.S degree would not have stated that the 360 is able to process A.I better than the 360" see the problem? Oh, and unless my mind fails me, the answer to #1 is
|106 69 50|
|126 97 70|
|132 87 79|
I agree with you, but be less of an ass.
aj @ May 31st 2007 5:35AM
What is the point of having a next-gen system with an old-gen storage format?
An attitude like "Well DVD worked just fine!!" is fucking pointless. SDTV worked fine didn't it? We still brought out HDTV. Shit, living in the forests eating fruit off the trees worked didn't it? But we still built fucking houses!
Stellarpimp @ May 31st 2007 6:00AM
@21...
I couldn't have said it better myself. OMFGIcan'tbreathe...hahahah
matjet @ May 31st 2007 8:40AM
@SwissArmyBud, you forgot the determinant!
after actually reading the article, i now know the the answer to sales, popularity and everything is soccer.
TheSh0wstopper @ May 31st 2007 8:56AM
For SOny's sake this game BETTER be exclusive and they better come up with a bunch of other exclusives. 360 is hammering them into the ground in the games department. Yesterday I went to gamestop and picked up Forza and Shadowrun. Both games are good but Shadowrun was Amazingly good. Meanwhile nothing for PS3. I have both systems and love both, but unfortunately for sony not everyone buys all consoles like me. And for a person who only buys one console the 360 is the CLEARLY superior console AT THIS TIME and for the forseeable future. Even though tthe PS3 has some good games coming down the pipeline so does the 360. And it also has the clearly superior online, Live is lightyears ahead of the PSN. There is no excuse for the PS3 to be in the state it is at the moment. 7 months after launch the 360 had a bunch of good games to play. I have owned more games at launch for EVERY system than I own for the PS3 7 moths after launch. Right now we are looking at a perfect example of how to "kill your brand".
TheSh0wstopper
Breeze @ May 31st 2007 10:46AM
@SwissArmyBud
If this blog had any editing capability whatsoever I would have edited it to correct the double reference. But it's nice to know that you couldn't use your noodle to infer that I meant PS3. After all, I did as k him to mention why exactly the A.I processing capabilities of the 360 was superior to his weak mind.
By the way, you didn't answer the full questions. What you did was use a matrix calculator. The "off the top of my mind" line was rather weak.
Breeze @ May 31st 2007 10:46AM
@BlackBeltJones
I hate...so much the 360 fanboys, like you, that choose to soil this forum with your mental dumps.
Breeze @ May 31st 2007 4:15PM
@poster
Why don't you grace us with those quotes of developers stating that A.I performs better on the 360?
The reason you can't is because all you'll be able to find is a quote from Jade Raymond, of UbiSoft, making a comment that was taken out of context and quickly corrected by UbiSoft.
So, please SPAM us with those developer quotes.
James @ May 31st 2007 4:31PM
I wish the writers of these blogs would take a few minutes to properly structure their sentences. It would make it a lot easier to read.
"Konami and the team behind Silent Hill have looked at the current consoles and concluded they all have limitations that hamper their ideas for the game and delay progress. Except the PlayStation 3."
The above sentence should read: Konami and the team behind Silent Hill have looked at the current consoles and concluded they all have limitations that hamper their ideas for the game and delay progress with the exception of the PlayStation 3.
By breaking it into two sentences, (though the second one isn't even a complete sentence) the second one invalidates the first one. The first one states all have limitations. That statement is rendered incorrect by stating "except the playstation 3". Therefore, you need that statement to be included in the first statement to make it one complete thought.
That is just one example I am pointing out. It is just a pet peeve of mine to see writers continuously do this.
BlackBeltJones @ May 31st 2007 8:02PM
@ Breeze
Nothing I said in this post is skewed toward loving the 360 I simply stated that if exclusivity of this game depends on sales, PS3 is currently not pushing the numbers to make it a fiscally viable choice. Then I refered to a rumor of 3rd party discontent with ps3 sales. And the reason for my Office inspired comment is not that I hate your love for sony but by the way in you previous comment you assume someone isn't educated and test them because of a statment about a video game console. It was a jackass move.
Also here is the article by joystiq about ubsoft's producer saying that the 360's assassins creed has better AI.
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/29/assassins-creed-360-has-superior-ai-says-ubisoft-producer/
It boils down to the 360 having better threading technology.
Breeze @ May 31st 2007 8:31PM
I assumed you weren't educated because of your silly and ignorant comment that the 360 had the better CPU for processing A.I. Nothing personal, but if you had the facilities to understand what A.I is and how it's processed that you wouldn't have made such a comment because you would have realized how futile and baseless it was.
Now, the person you are referring to is not a developer, Jade Raymond is, well the cover girl/producer for Assassins Creed and nothing more. Her quote was taken out of context and quickly corrected by Ubisoft after she received her spanking. Here's the link to the retraction, jackass (and remember, try and do your research before looking like a fool by quoting something that's been corrected thousands of times)
"While the method for distributing AI load is different on each platform, the AI code itself is the same. Players will experience the exact same crowd results on PS3 and Xbox360," Ubisoft explained."
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/736/736325p1.html
Basically, it boils down to knowing that the PS3 has more threads than the 360. Ouch, that must hurt not knowing a simple fact like that.
BlackBeltJones @ May 31st 2007 11:54PM
@ Breeze
I wasn't the poster to originally mention the AI, I merely posted what article that poster was refering too. So next time you take out your aggression on another poster remember, try and do your research before looking like a fool and childishly yelling at the wrong person. It is good to see that you are rude and condescending to everyone on the forum, consistency ftw!
Breeze @ Jun 1st 2007 2:35AM
I see, so you merely posted a link to the false article the poster was referring to? Oh Really? Then please explain your closing line in message #31:
"It boils down to the 360 having better threading technology."
Was that line also from the article or did you come up with that deduction all by yourself? Why do you Xbox 360 fanboys continue to visit this site and post your garbage? Are you so pathetic that you must spend your time refuting all claims on a site dedicated to the PS3? Just stick to your fanboy sites and leave us be.
BlackBeltJones @ Jun 1st 2007 3:22AM
@ Breeze
Here we go, more unbridled aggression. First off, calm down Joe Mccarthy, not everyone that doesn't agree with your exact point of view is an xbox fanboy. I admit I am a gaming fanboy, the more strong gaming systems out there competing for my money the better, nothing like competition to keep creativity up and prices down.
In reference to the article in question, in one of its updates it reads:
[Update 1: clarified wording with regard to comment #4.]
and comment 4 reads:
4. The developer didn't say the 360 had "advanced" threading capabilities. With single-issue cores and no out-of-order completion, there is nothing advanced about the 360's threading capabilities.
PS3's SPEs are less capable when it comes to threading than a general-purpose processor is, but that doesn't mean the 360's capabilities are particularly advanced.
Posted at 4:15PM on Sep 29th 2006 by Steve
I apologize for paraphrasing my understanding of the comment that joystiq made reference to.
In conclusion don't get mad at me, get mad at Steve.
Breeze @ Jun 1st 2007 10:53AM
So you're not going explain this?
"It boils down to the 360 having better threading technology."
BlackBeltJones @ Jun 1st 2007 4:49PM
@ Breeze
I did, as I mentioned before the comment from joystiq mentions:
The PS3's SPEs are less capable when it comes to threading than a general-purpose processor is, but that doesn't mean the 360's capabilities are particularly advanced.
It is from that conclusion that I paraphrased the 360 having better threading. And from this article:
http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=1
Concerning threading:
"Because of the PS3 CPU only having 1 PPE compared to the 360’s 3, all game control, scripting, AI and other branch intensive code will need to be crammed into two threads which share a very narrow execution core and no instruction window. The cell’s SPE will be unable to help out here as they are not as robust; hence, not fit for accelerating things such as AI, as it’s fairly branch intensive and the SPE lacks branch prediction capability entirely."
Concerning AI:
The 360 CPU however, due to its 3 symmetric General Purpose Cores, is not only much easier to program for than the cell, but having 3 PPE capable of handling things such as AI also means the 360’s CPU will be the better of the 2 CPUs when it comes to AI code. Either way we can look forward to great things from both CPUs in the future."
The entire article is 11 pages and points strengths and weaknesses out of both consoles eventually saying that both Sony and Microsoft fans should be happy with their respective consoles. Can we end this now, I want to go read about Uncharted.
Breeze @ Jun 1st 2007 9:22PM
Did it ever occur to you that the Joystiq article was just quoting what Raymond stated before UbiSoft was able to correct her ignorant statements? So you were perpetuating a story that has been corrected by UbiSoft. You really should know better because this lie seems to have a life of its own in the minds of xbox fanboys.
As for that article you posted, it's full of inaccuracies and sheer ignorance to Cell architecture and development.
BlackBeltJones @ Jun 2nd 2007 12:31AM
The first quote was from a commenter not a Ubisoft employee, read more carefully. And as far as the 2nd article that agrees with that statment (2 Corinthians 13:1) I trust a professional writing an article he's obviously done research on over an angry poster.
Urban Dicitionary definition of fanboy:
An arrogant person who goes into an outburst every time something he likes is questioned. Fanboys usually acuse others of being fanboys.
But seriously I'm done, go ahead and take 4 hours phrasing the perfect retort because I'm not coming back to check it, I need to go play Ico.