Devil May Cry producer may cry if system wars continue
by Nick Doerr 
{ Jun 2nd 2007 at 6:00PM }
- About the move toward multiple platforms, Kobayashi said "We're using an engine called Framework for development, and it's extremely easy to have a multiplatform strategy including the PC. You can say that Devil May Cry 4 is the first such offering. With the increase in platforms, we have the chance of more people being able to play the game, so we're also happy as developers." The strong name of the game overseas help, too, he said.
- The game is definitely built originally on the PS3 and ported to other systems (which will yield better ports to other systems and easier for the developers). Kobayashi said that "we've just started with the Xbox 360 version following the announcement, so there's still a ways to go." If the PS3 version is nearly complete, can't we just get it now? We wanna play.
- The content, as we've said before, will be the same across platforms. Minor graphical differences may exist, plus the PS3 can install the game onto the hard drive, but the game will play the same regardless. Kobayashi laments, "We wanted to avoid arguments about which one is better."
- The game will indeed run at 60fps. Kobayashi actually claimed keeping to that goal has proven to be one of the biggest challenges in developing for next-gen consoles so far.
Finally, we've been told to expect an advanced build of the game at the upcoming Tokyo Game Show in September. It wasn't made clear if it will be any specific console build, but we'd anticipate a booth for both the PS3 and 360 versions of the game. Not for comparison purposes, but just to show how they're progressing. So they say.
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
massive_98 @ Jun 2nd 2007 6:16PM
I am not going to buy it or rent. I would have if it was an exclusive but it isn't so they don't get any of my money.
They are almost 80% done the PS3 version and then wham they make it into a fuckertardo relardo.
Vincent060 @ Jun 2nd 2007 6:27PM
They just started with the 360 version!?! Can we still get our version when it's done? Can't they just release the PS3 version as a timed exclusive at least?
Bored @ Jun 2nd 2007 7:03PM
Well, by NOT buying the PS3 version, you'll be telling CAPCOM to develop exclusively for the 360 next time. Well done.
Suly2k @ Jun 2nd 2007 7:31PM
Yes, TOTALLY agree with the ABOVE STATEMENTS!
NOT having it a PS3 exclusive has made it NOT so much "appealing" anymore.
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE the SERIES and am STILL extremely sad to see it go Multi-Platform.
With DMC4:
There is a chance the game WON'T EXCEED 10GB or less (in data), JUST TO ACCOMODATE FOR THE 360
There is ALSO a chance they WONT implement the SIXASIS Controller, JUST TO ACCOMODATE FOR THE 360
There is ANOTHER CHANCE they may LEAVE OUT the PSP Connectivity, JUST TO ACCOMODATE FOR THE 360
There is a chance the game WONT LOOK AS GOOD as it SO easily could, JUST TO ACCOMODATE FOR THE 360
There is a chance the resolution will NOT go upto 1080p, JUST TO ACCOMODATE FOR THE 360
The BEST GAMES should be EXCLUSIVE TO PLATFORMS as they are developed SPECIFICALLY for them. (DMC4 fits in the BEST GAMES category)
QUESTION:
What do people do when they want to play Super Mario?!
ANSWER:
BUY THEMSELVES a NINTENDO CONSOLE, RIGHT?!?!
ANOTHER DIFFICULT QUESTION:
What do people do when they want to play HALO?
ANSWER:
BUY themseleves an Xbox or Xbox 360, RIGHT!?!?
SO, WHY, WHY, WHY, WHY, DONT you people who want to play Devil May Cry buy themseleves a PLAYSTATION!?
NO SERIOUSLY, WHY!!?!
Jason B. @ Jun 2nd 2007 7:42PM
That just irritates me. Not the fact that it is going multiplatform, but that they are delaying a (possibly) finished game just so they can simultaneously release it on two other platforms. Just plain ridiculous.
ndoerr @ Jun 2nd 2007 7:46PM
@ Jason B. -- that's exactly my complaint. I have no other issues with the multiplatform move except for the needless delay.
And those saying that not buying the game for the PS3 will edge Capcom away from further PS3 releases? Right on. That's very true. If anything, we should all buy out the stock in our game stores of the game for PS3 to inflate sales =P But with most people, spending nothing is an easier escape than spending a lot.
massive_98 @ Jun 2nd 2007 7:55PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=n38IIiXt5og
B33b3s @ Jun 2nd 2007 8:20PM
If you want Capcom to keep on making games, you should be happy that they choose to make money with the same game on two platforms just to recoup next gen development costs. If you had fun with DMC3 and are complaining about how the 360 is going to make DMC4 worse, then you should really reconsider what you like so much about the series, because I prefer the gameplay over uber visual polish.
I bet you weren't bitching and moaning when RE4 was ported to the ps2, and neither were the people who were happy with the gamecube version.
Strike Man @ Jun 2nd 2007 8:53PM
"I bet you weren't bitching and moaning when RE4 was ported to the ps2, and neither were the people who were happy with the gamecube version."
Oh, I recall quite a bit of bitching from both camps.
Something along the lines of "ZOMG C U LAMECUBE GUYZ DONT HAV NE XCLUSIVE GAEMS SEPT SMASH BROS LOLMIRITE? PLUS WE GET BONUS MISINS WITH ADDA AND TRU WIDESCREEN SUPPORT! GAYCUBE SUX BALLZZZZ!!!1" from the Playstation fanboys, and "RE 4 was a fantastic game and I played it quite a bit...when it came out NINE MONTHS AGO! Enjoy your watered down port (complete with extra jaggies!) at full price!" from the Nintendo crowd.
My thoughts regarding DMC4: If it's done for one system, and there's a decent amount of time (2+ months) before the other platform's version is completed, release the one that's finished (assuming the game is sitting "in the can" and not being optimized in the meantime). However, I can't find a single part in the article that claims the PS3 version is complete, or near completion. He only said that they just started on the 360 version. Considering the amount of content (game engine, textures, music, etc.) that will be virtually the same on both platforms, I'd imagine they'd be able to get things up to speed fairly quickly.
When done correctly, a multi-platform release will be tailored to each system's advantages, so it's fairly insulting for everyone to think that Capcom will somehow completely "screw" so-called "loyal Playstation fans". Capcom makes games to make money, and unless Sony or Microsoft is willing to offer a SIGNIFICANT financial incentive, there's no reason for them to stick with only one platform.
dalejrfanfreak @ Jun 2nd 2007 9:06PM
I too will not be buying Devil May Cry. The first one was good but the last two were mediocre in my opinion. But I too will not buy DMC4 because their defection hurts the sale of Sony consoles, PERIOD. Why buy a PS3 if you can get DMC on 360? Anyone that thinks otherwise isn't looking at the big picture and doesn't care about the success of the PS3. This is what Capcom does, don't forget how they left the playstation for nintendo with the Resident Evil series. They are not loyal to any brands, and are only interested in consoles that will make them money. After all, once the gamecube took a dive and PS2 was kickin ass capcom went back to developing for other consoles. If we don't buy capcom games because of their defection that's a perfectly fine choice. Lets just get one thing straight, if they go 360 exclusive then that just makes them hippocrits because they are the ones wanting to be able to "sell to more gamers". I don't respect their choice, and I hope trading PS3 buyers for 360 buyers bites them in the ass!
Cagalli @ Jun 2nd 2007 9:47PM
I'll buy it, and I hope long-time fans will continue to do so as well. Although I agree with Nick in that if our version is close to done, why not get it completed and release it? That too is my only complaint about the whole multiplatform situation... well that, and constant gloating from the other side... but that's a different story.
PS fans need to show Capcom they were mistaken and that we deserve exclusives too!
Marco Cano Jr @ Jun 2nd 2007 9:58PM
Dude don't do that. Do you capcom to not develop games on our favorite platform? And I hate to say it but it is kinda Sony's fault. Phil Harrison said it himself, Sony would rather spend all that money on making their own Original IP games then give it to third party's.
That's the question to ask, Do you want Original IP games or the big franchises? I mean I understand where you guys are coming from (Believe me I do). Like you would think Capcom would be a little fair and give us one exclusive game since we didn't get Lost Planet & Dead Rising and SONY Pictures did make the Resident Evil movies. You know, you scratch my back I'll scratch yours.
Now since I'm thinking about it, I'm guessing that's how UBIsoft gave us HAZE. Microsoft is getting 2 exclusives Naruto and Splinter Cell. Nintendo is getting Rayman and I think some other ones too. HAZE used to be next-gen multiplateform game but then I guess ubisoft looked at what they were giving Nintendo and Microsoft and then decided to give one to Sony.
Bored @ Jun 2nd 2007 10:12PM
Haze is just a timed exclusive. They just want to avoid running into Halo 3.
kingofwale @ Jun 2nd 2007 11:26PM
>Haze is just a timed exclusive. They just want to avoid running into Halo 3.
so, in order to avoid running into Halo 3, so instead of selling 500,000 copies, it will be PS3 exclusive and sells 0 copies on xbox?
that math makes PERFECT sense.
ANd to Capcom, so, I suppose Lost Planet and Dead Rising aren't 'multiply platform' friendly, right? but wait, isn't Lost Planet coming to PC? hmmm, I smell more lies.
Peacefuloutrage @ Jun 4th 2007 8:01AM
The act of NOT buying Devil May Cry when you love the game with the means to play it is stupid. Remember CAPCOM's Clover studios? Viewtiful Joe, Okami, etc? Well they didn't make enough money and folded. If you spend $20 mil on DMC4, how many copies do you have to sell to break even, let alone make money? CAPCOM doesn't get $60/game. Sony gets at least $10 for Blu-ray and PS3 license, the stores get their cut, and you have to advertise, market, and go to trade shows. The PS3 doesn't have the installed base, and that's not CAPCOM's fault. It may sell a million copies eventually, but that may be long after stores have marked the price down for older games.
There is a difference between the game switching platforms entirely and making it available to more gamers to make a profit. I'd like to see some of you whiners spend $20 million, have your team work hard for a game and only 500K people buy it (because SONY did you a favor by charging you to release games on their platform). Wake up!
rfom @ Jun 3rd 2007 9:06AM
You can play Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Heavenly Sword, God of War 2 and all 4 DMC versions on PS3. You can only play DMC4 on 360.
massive_98 @ Jun 3rd 2007 10:45AM
Ubisoft is officially my new fav devoloper. Certain games work better on certain systems, for example Rayman would not be a good choice for PS3 or 360 but works perfectly with the Wii
It is going to be a huge fight for everyones gaming dollar come fall. Haze is a PS3 exclusive. And out of the games Ubisoft is making exclusive Haze is the best out of all of them.
To be honest, I wouldn't have bought/rented DMC4 even if it was exclusive. It might have gotten a second look but thats about it.
I am planning on buying some Ubisoft stocks. There sales are going to go through the roof with their new exclusive releases.
GimmeSumGamez @ Jun 3rd 2007 12:09PM
" Lets just get one thing straight, if they go 360 exclusive then that just makes them hippocrits because they are the ones wanting to be able to "sell to more gamers". I don't respect their choice, and I hope trading PS3 buyers for 360 buyers bites them in the ass!
Posted at 9:06PM on Jun 2nd 2007 by dalejrfanfreak"
Oh yeah, that's going to happen. Just like it did with Dead Rising and Lost Planet right? You fanboys are idiots. "I won't buy or rent it"... HORSESHIT. You losers will have it the day it comes out and you know it. If by some idiotic quirk of Sony loyalty, you did leave it to rot on the vine, you could probably kiss Capcom goodbye as a developer for the PS3. Is having no games and watching game after game come out for the 360 really bothering you all that much? If so, have a look at your "gaming console" and see where the problem lies. It's sure ain't Microsoft's fault.
Gibson335 @ Jun 3rd 2007 12:21PM
Well, this statement essentially guarantees that DMC4 is going to look good in a 360 kind of way, but we should not expect more:
>>What's different is perhaps the shape of the controller and graphic peculiarities for each hardware. We wanted to avoid arguments about which one is better.
That's fine, I guess. Gameplay has always been the DMC strength, and an ounce of good art direction is worth a pound of pure polygons (or was it pickled peppers?) in the pipeline.
Still, will it match or exceed the look of Ninja Gaiden Sigma, my own current benchmark for what a comitted developer can do with established IP on this platform? I dunno. If it plays well I may bite, but I'll be playing it alongside Heavenly Sword and NGSigma...I just may be spoiled.
Vincent060 @ Jun 3rd 2007 12:25PM
@22 Gibson335
I agree with you. Fast-paced, non-stop action has always been what DMC is about. Because of this I think the PS3 version would be better because the controller is better suited for this type of game. The buttons are spaced out evenly and are easy to reach.
Also, does anybody know if there would be multiple weapons in the game? Every video I've seen always had Nero using the same gun and sword. If they had the same gameplay like DMC3 and added more to it, it would be sweet.
Vincent060 @ Jun 3rd 2007 12:40PM
@23 TRUE Fan
Yeah, because rumble is absolutely necessary to pull off all of his moves and without it limits the gameplay.
I don't see how alittle detail like lack of rumble is the #1 selling point for people. It seems to these people that if a game doesn't have rumble, it would suck. How can you notice when the controller rumbles when you're too busy slicing-and-dicing, jumping-and-gunning? I sometimes don't even notice when I start a game where the rumble starts off turned-off in some games. Only when I go to the menu to change settings do I remember about it. Then when I turn it on, I go on playing and forget about it again. But then again I guess some people still notice it when they play. It was fun in the beginning, but it isn't so special now.
But now that Sony has said that they would release a controller with rumble in it again because people bitched about it, everyone started saying,"Oh, NOW they're going to put rumble back in? Sony said it was last-gen, but I guess they don't know what they are doing." Then people forgot about it and keep saying how the PS3 won't have rumble. Do you people want rumble or don't you? If you do, then don't bitch when they said they where going to release a controller with it.
Cagalli @ Jun 3rd 2007 1:23PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see rumble in the PS3 version as well. Also, the PS3 can upconvert, so I don't see your argument.
dalejrfanfreak @ Jun 3rd 2007 6:43PM
GimmeSumGamez I believe you are on the wrong website, this is ps3FANBOY.com. See that last part there? FANBOY. I am a fanboy and when capcom gives people one less reason to buy a PS3 then that gives me plenty reason to not buy their games. I've only bought one DMC game and that's because the first one doesn't suck like DMC2 and 3. Also, you get all of these idiotic third party developers saying there aren't enough PS3's out there and that's because they aren't making games exclusive for the PS3! Why the hell am I gonna buy a PS3 when I can get the EXACT SAME GAME on a system for $200 less? Capcom doesn't even want to make one version of the game better because they don't want people to "argue"? Here's an idea, make the damn game as good as it can be based on the console you are developing for. I won't be buying their game regardless of how good it is, their defection hurt PS3 console sales, and my loyalty does lie with Sony. I HATE microsoft. And it's not even because their games library relies soley on first person shooters or that their console failure rate is incredibly high and they have zero problems taking a crap on their customers, no, it's because of idiotic 360 fanboys that don't know what they are talking about. You really think 360 is all that great? Tell me why online isn't free, why you can't use bluetooth devices with it, why you don't get HDMI 1.3, why you will be stuck with dvd's that will soon run out of the space needed for games, why you can't hook up different hard drives externally or internally, and my favorite, how come it took massive console failures and criticism from internet sites for microsoft to extend their warranty?
If there's no more capcom, big deal. I own two capcom games, DMC 1 and Resident Evil 4. Konami and Rockstar will be fine thank you.
Any PS3 fanboy, like myself, should be smart enough to know what DMC4 on 360 means for PS3 console sales. If capcom loses sales because of their choice it is THEIR FAULT. Maybe they should respect PS3 owners better.
GimmeSumGamez @ Jun 3rd 2007 8:09PM
@dalejrfanfreak
For your information dickhead, I own a PS3 AND a 360. Guess which one actually gets used. It Ain't the shiny black one. Bluetooth? Please. It's useless. Does your AV reciever use it? Your TV? No? Neither does anybody elses dumbass. HDMI? Yawn. There isn't a game that used BR capacity except R:FOM and again Yawn... You were saying about shooters? Nice release game there. My launch 360 runs like a top thank you AND it has LOADS of games that aren't shooters. Get some some facts and get back on your meds before you shoot up your school or something there angry boy. I'm sure Capcom isn't losing any sleep over you but keep in mind other devs see how other games do before starting a dev cycle and the kind of logic that you're trying to justify in your hurt fanboy creepy sort of way will just help speed the demise of your beloved console. I'm done with you. Think I'll go play some Forza 2.
laesperanzapaz @ Jun 3rd 2007 8:25PM
ahh, fanboys.....
oh well. it's not YOUR millions that are being sunk into this game, so what do YOU care about the logics and rationality of going multiplatform...
dalejrfanfreak @ Jun 3rd 2007 11:41PM
@ GimmeSumGamez
See what I mean when I say "idiotic 360 fanboys"? Of course you haven't heard of the 360's lack of a hd-dvd or blu ray drive limiting the rockstar team with Grand Theft Auto 4. Plus, since some 360's have no hard drive that limits them as well. And of course who cares about HDMI 1.3 since after all only people with HDTV's really need it and of course since it's 1.3 you get the best sound quality as well but who cares about quality of sound for video games? Not you it seems. And obviously nobody would care about being able to use their bluetooth headset they have for their cell phone or other wireless devices, that's not cool at all. And btw, your 360 might run fine but just look around the net and you'll find PLENTY of 360 owners that are not only on their second console but their third or worse! Every week I hear about the 3 rings of death, and now in the UK 360's are being investigated for scratching game discs. Also, get some common sense and realize that the 360 has been out a lot longer than the PS3, so obviously it's going to have many more games. I can't wait til this fall when there are going to be plenty of games for the PS3.
Just because a console has "loads of games" doesn't mean those games are good.
(http://www.joystiq.com/2007/05/02/xbox-360-cant-handle-all-of-gta-iv/)
Strike Man @ Jun 4th 2007 1:09AM
"If capcom loses sales because of their choice it is THEIR FAULT. Maybe they should respect PS3 owners better."
The logic of a fanboy is truly astounding.
Capcom, in an effort to make money (the point of any business) decides to bring a game of theirs to three platforms (one of which by and large couldn't care less for the game, the PC) instead of just one. The fanboy crowd, while only a small "hardcore" percentage of a console's owners, rejects the idea in a jealous rampage. "Why hast thou betrayed thy brethren?" they call out, but they fall on deaf ears by the bean counters who run this business.
"We're revolting!" they cry out, slamming their fists on the table while making an unreasonable demand of Capcom to ignore a good percentage of the "next gen" gaming market (one that has also garnered some decent sales for the company too). So the plan is to boycott the game, the theory being that they'll teach Capcom some sort of a lesson not to ignore the all-important fanboiz, right?
I see two results as being possible from this silly boycott notion:
A) The boycott has no real dent on sales, rendering said opinions largely irrelevant. Assuming the game turns out well, everyone wins. Playstation 3 owners enjoy the game, 360 owners enjoy the game, one or two PC players who prefer gamepads over keyboards enjoy the game, while Capcom generates a healthy profit from it. Capcom continues to make their games, both good and bad (which thankfully have been good as of late), for both consoles, while the VERY vocal minority continues to pout in the corner.
B) The boycott actually registers as blip on their radar, and sales of the PS3 version of DMC4 are significantly less than the 360's, even when factoring in a smaller install base due to that year between system launches. The lesson Capcom learns from this? Obviously that one system is giving them a better return on their investment than the other.
Now how exactly is that second scenario going to "win Capcom back" to a point where they're developing many of their games exclusively for Sony's system? This isn't like last time where Sony's console marketshare dominated the competition. Most game developers and publishers, even ones the size of Capcom, simply cannot afford to limit their sales without some sort of a financial incentive.
I've already wasted enough time actually responding to this. :rollseyes:
Ulquiorra @ Jun 8th 2007 3:52AM
I'd say that DMC4 will release this year because i heard the rumors that DMC4 for PS3 version is around 80% complete, capcom will make major announcement regarding that DMC4 will release for Xbox 360 and PC version around spring 2008. So what i'm saying is PS3 will go first stay exclusively release at least 3-6 months :D.
bordello @ Jun 13th 2007 2:01PM
I'm sad to say that since DMC4 is not a PS3 exclusive anymore, I'll probably not pick this one up. I'll do my best to support companies that make PS3 games exclusively.