Whoops, print your own Eye of Judgment cards
by Andrew Yoon 
{ Oct 25th 2007 at 9:00PM }
Will Sony come up with some kind of anti-cheat measure for this? Thankfully, we're pretty sure that the really dedicated collectors won't resort to such ... deceit.
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Darkhand @ Oct 25th 2007 9:05PM
There is a camera watching you while you play this game. Sony will just implement random screenshot uploads to catch people uses the paper cards.
slade @ Oct 25th 2007 9:05PM
wow now i dont wont to buy this game for now
busboy33 @ Oct 25th 2007 9:15PM
So . . . all the repeated assurances that this was impossible because of their super-secret-CIA-ink were just pure blatant lies?
Moonkea @ Oct 25th 2007 9:21PM
To be honest, this 'ability' would be the only reason besides the Eye itself to get this game.
Well to me anyway...
OrganicShadow @ Oct 26th 2007 12:30PM
Ehh, has this even been confirmed to actually work?
H2Os @ Oct 25th 2007 9:27PM
That's really disappointing. I hope they fix it and soon.
T-P-M @ Oct 25th 2007 9:27PM
I don't think this'll have that much impact as long as the booster packs are priced reasonably.
Da @ Oct 25th 2007 9:28PM
@4
loser
Kspraydad @ Oct 25th 2007 9:36PM
Andrew...remember a long time ago I discussed this with you...
Saw this coming a mile away and don't know why SONY thought that they could avoid it.
They need to have RF tags in the cards that are verified by the play mat.
Hyams @ Oct 25th 2007 9:38PM
You have a camera trained on the other person's deck; if they're cheating just quit the game. Pretty soon people will figure out that cheating = no one to play with.
JKPierce @ Oct 25th 2007 9:42PM
One could just as easily print Magic: The Gathering cards.
Outside of any kind of ranking boards, which I've not heard of, this isn't game-breaking. Just means if one wants to cheapen and completely void one's own experience, one can.
busboy33 @ Oct 25th 2007 10:35PM
@8:
Sure, they can make security tighter . . . but the booster pack costs go thru the roof. One of the reasone I was wondering about the "magic ink" they were talking about before -- that stuff is expensive, and usually requires customized presses to use. If the booster packs are the source of revenue, then there's only so much you can do to the cards before nobody will buy it.
ted @ Oct 25th 2007 10:30PM
If I print the card, cut it out and hold it face up to the eye, how can anyone tell if it is paper or real? If the eye cant tell the difference I am not sure anyone else can either.
I wish Sony had come up with a copy protection scheme, watermarks, uv dyes...
JaseHH @ Oct 25th 2007 10:52PM
Big deal.
Sony'll probably create identification tags on the cards themselves... to create a genuine gameplay again, you'll see.
Or they could just sell each card at a really low reasonable price, so the player can choose to bundle a pack themselves off of the PS Store. Maybe get it mailed to them?
I'd go with number one. I could see Sony do an MS... create tags on future cards, send a [[Warning]] to all those printing copies... which means, if they keep doing it... Sony will know who's registering tagless cards and ban them.
Mwuahahaaha.
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Ithilis @ Oct 25th 2007 10:33PM
10 - The difference between printing these cards and printing Magic cards is that the latter would get you disqualified from a tournament. Judges examine your deck when it gets registered.
Which EoJ, there's nobody there but you - your opponent could be on the other side of the planet! If you cut the cards out to not look like obvious copies, you're not going to get busted.
Tim Parsons @ Oct 25th 2007 10:34PM
Cool Sign me up LOL
SONY al;ready has the Register Card thing for cards you plan on using online, details i have no ideal dont have the game yet wiating for a place near me to get it in,. but this certainly saves money ,. I hate the ideal of having to buy the packs and end up wasting money getting many cards over and over. People will probably start selling unregistered cards on Ebay as well,. though there's always trading the cards fair and sqaure with the cards only changing hands,. i'm down for all the above as i don't plan on playing it online to start with,. but if I have to waste money to get all the cards so be it. Doubt many places around me if any will carry the cards themselves anyway
P @ Oct 25th 2007 11:01PM
Theres should be an index card within every pack which contains a unique id key to unlock the cards sony know are contained within the pack, once registered to a players account then its locked there. How hard is that? If you try to use a card the game knows you havent unlocked then it just tells you to stop being a cheap ass.
If a mate comes round with their own pack of cards, then their EoJ account name needs to be entered, unlocking that persons cards which can be used against the other persons.
It stops cheating, means people can only use what they have infront of them, gives their rip-off cards value and makes people feel a whole lot better knowing all these things are covered and your not getting cheated by the other person.
ndoerr @ Oct 26th 2007 12:10AM
If you guys have played the game online, this "cheat" actually doesn't change a whole lot except one person might not have paid for their cards. The game's extremely balanced and loading your deck with rare/powerful cards isn't really possible/smart to do.
In short, I'm not worried. Play with friends if you'd rather -- you know you can trust them (probably).
Tim Parsons @ Oct 26th 2007 12:11AM
@16 that's alot of extra effort,. considering to my knowledge and correct me if i'm wrong here,. Cards be it games or Hockey or baseball are sorted at random by the machines that put em in the packs,. so that would certainly add to the cost factor,. But Apparently each card has some kind of code for Registering them for online use,. but nothing preventing you from using Any and all cards regardless offline. Personally I find the whole Card Collecting aspect of this game rather annoyign and a hassle not to mention expensive there's a reaosn I don't get into card collecting,. and the fact of paying money to alot of times get cards you alreayd have is not a very intriging one
Shadowen @ Oct 26th 2007 1:16AM
Are you sure those cards work online though? The barcodes work and such?
GL @ Oct 26th 2007 2:56AM
If gamers go through the trouble making copies. Then what's the point of collecting comics or "Magic" cards? Sorry. But the whole point of getting the cards is owning the REAL DECK!
PJ @ Oct 26th 2007 3:24AM
Did I not say this the other day?
I cant beleive SONY didnt think of this before.
TCampbell76 @ Oct 26th 2007 4:20AM
There will always be some douche that has to cheat in a game because their self-esteem is that low in real life that beating people in Eye of Judgement will fufill that worthlessness void. Bravo, your too cool. I would invest in this if more friends would consistantly play it than wasting money on cards to play online just so some nab with a low res photocopy can cheat. It is a matter of time before high res cards end up on the net free for all to download. Lame.
Mutsch @ Oct 26th 2007 5:22AM
Hey, that's a discovery: you guys figured out how to use a color copier! Btw, what's the difference between regular cards and the those used in EoJ?
Christian @ Oct 26th 2007 6:17AM
This is a non-issue. As other has mentioned you could do this 'trick'with every collectable card game ever made. EoJ is no different. I played Magic the Gathering a lot and I never ever met someone who had bothered photocopying cards to play with. I think the people who do that would simply not get into a collectible card games in the first place or at least tire quickly of them. Also putting together good decks is not necessarily about rare cards, but about figuring out clever ways to get synergy effects out of cards.
blitzcloud @ Oct 26th 2007 6:04AM
You just need a time inteval screenshot sending to the rival, so he can see the cards are legit. Anyways, rule made, rule cheated, there's no way to prevent it. It's up to the user. Although if you see there's smeone using such cards, they should add an ignore feature and report.
So you can either ignore him so you dont have to play again against him, or just with a big stack of reports, he could get banned.
I still dont get how they didnt print a sticker kinda like the original VHS disney movies. Those that flash in different colors when exposed to light. They wouldnt be able to scan that kind of feature, and would get caught with a simple interval movie.
It's one of those games you would only play wi th people you know. Wait, thats what happens in real life card games.
Nate @ Oct 26th 2007 9:37AM
Having all the cards does not mean you'll win games against skilled opponents. Assuming PS3Fanboy was correct in its review, the game is well balanced, and therefore skill will win the day (assuming you do more than just buy three booster packs and think that's enough).
I've played a metric buttload of Magic the Gathering, have spent easily over $5000 on cards, and have been playing for almost 13 years. Cards don't make you win, skill makes you win. Anyone can just go drop a few hundred bucks and get every single card.
Michael @ Oct 26th 2007 8:56AM
Hey guys,
Those of you who have the game, can I ask a question? Did anyone have a problem registering their deck online with the Eye? When I had to confirm multiple cards from the starter deck, such as 2 Beguiling Frogs, it wouldn't recognize both, and so I couldn't finishing registering the deck. I also was tried to add some cards from the booster to the starter and I couldn't get it recognize my new deck with a mixture of cards.
Real Gambler @ Oct 26th 2007 9:21AM
1- Did somebody made a copy of any cards in the booster deck? So far, I've seen this done only with the demo card given away during shows.
2- I'll take anybody who has a 30 cards deck packed with rares and ultra rares anytime. A sure win for me! Most of these cards need 8 mana to be played. You get 2 mana per turn. By the time they get one card on the deck, I'll have 4 low life 1 or 2 mana cards on the mat. Remember, the goal is to get 4 squares. It will be fun to win in 6 turns, with the cheater having only one card on the mat, and wondering what happened! It's all about having a balanced deck, not the most powerful ultra rare deck. You need way more small cards than those ultra rare.
Love the game so far.
ndoerr @ Oct 26th 2007 9:24AM
@ Michael -- to register more than one of the same card, you have to toss both (or three) on the mat at the same time. That's how I have so many healing spells =)
jtedesco33 @ Oct 26th 2007 10:26AM
The real case here does not nessecarily deal with the cheating aspect. On the contrary the real problem is that is most people just color copy their cards (LAME) then revenue streams for the game are cut off.
The whole idea of this game is to make money off of us card collectors. If no money is made there will not be new editions or new cards. This is a niche game as it is which will not be embraced by many outside of us card players. Therefore is we want this game to be successful and the first of many card games, then we need to buy cards, plain and simple.
Hopefully Sony can get this sorted out so that there is sufficient reason to make expansions and new editions.
Benjamizzle @ Oct 26th 2007 10:46AM
I will be hitting the net in a few weeks, if there are loads of high res scans on there I will get this game if not I wont bother, I dont want to play trials of topqu of what ever after shelling out 70 notes for a cam....
jtedesco33 @ Oct 26th 2007 10:55AM
Just found this at the PS forums could be BS not sure!
http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=eyeofjudgment&thread.id=3971&view=by_date_ascending&page=1
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Everyone that uses fake cards to register an online deck is going to get banned from PSN. You might think you are hot stuff, and nothing will happen to you, but PSN GMs CAN see your deck captures and they WILL ban you for using fake cards online. You are an idiot if you think you will get away with it online.
When you register an online deck with PSN network the screen shot gets uploaded instantly to PSN, and each is attached to your PS3's serial number. I will point out once again that the eye is a "video camera" it is not a sensor. If you put a banana under the camera, you will see a banana on your TV. "Currently" The other player can not see your camera to verify (yet), however PSN can. You are not connecting your PS3 to a dial up modem, it's broadband. There is nothing you can do to stop the PS3 from sending the deck capture to your PSN account. I will note that PSN only keeps captures of your active deck. So if you replace a card from the deck on PSN it will replace that capture with your new card's capture.
If you want to test your luck then go for it, but eventually you will be caught and banned. There are no 2nd chances. My bro works for sony. Specifically in the networking department I wouldn't expect Sony or Wizards to make any official announcements about it unless it actually gets out of hand. They are hoping to chop cheaters off right at the beginning, so they arn't even bothering with a warning. I just don't want people to get banned for "testing" the system. In this case curiosity can lead to headlessness.
Ghaleon @ Oct 26th 2007 12:02PM
Anyone who didn't think this was going to happen immediately was on crack. Game is a broken idea.
Popfrogs @ Oct 26th 2007 12:14PM
@27: I would worry about people using lots of expensive summons during battle. They can sacrifice big-ticket cards to destroy your mana by however many points their card is worth. That throws the balance in their favor. While you're chipping away at them with 1 or 2 mana cards after getting hit with a -5 Feast, they're building mana at a much faster pace.
HektikLyfe @ Oct 26th 2007 12:20PM
This is a gamebreaking announcement. You know EVERYONE will try it whether they admit it or not. As it is, compared to XBox Live it is pretty damn hard to find a good group to play with. This will only make it worse. On the rare occasion that they do catch cheaters, what are they going to do? Ban them? From a free service?
HektikLyfe @ Oct 26th 2007 12:25PM
On the other hand, I'm sick and tired of being nickle and dimed by the game industry...
So if we think of it this way, "Everyone should have received EVERY card available with their game."
Then it would make sense. The game selects the cards for play and off you go. If everyone is on the same playing level then that makes it fair. A game of chance and strategy to work with "the cards you have been dealt."
So after a moments reflection, I change my stance. EVERYONE SHOULD do it to be fair and we shouldn't be charged extra for a complete package.
Larz @ Oct 26th 2007 1:13PM
I don't see this as an issue.
You could do this with pretty much any CCG. And anyways my feelings have always been that CCG's are fundamentally flawed because the person with the best cards is almost guaranteed to win. So let me ask this question...
What's to prevent rich people from just buying 3 of every card ever printed and having an unfair advantage?
At least with EoJ there is a lot more strategy involved and the person with the best cards might not necessarily win.
chris.westermann @ Oct 26th 2007 2:28PM
There is really nothing Sony/Hasbro can do about this. The cards are basically fancy bar-codes. Unless the PS Eye can detect infra-red or ultra-violet, the only way around this is to use invisible ink not available for home printers or can be scanned. If Hasbro expected a large revenue stream from this game, then they would have put more effort into preventing this. I have a feeling that people that like card games are the kind of people that want to really own these cards and not just paper copies of them so it may all be moot.
ajefferism @ Oct 26th 2007 3:30PM
ive said this in other forums but I see this as an actual selling point to the game. i USED to play magic but I couldn't compete with some of my friends' incomes and got tired of them always having the good expensive rares that I couldn't afford. NOW it all depends on your playing skill and deck construction strategy, this is where the focus SHOULD be.... im sure rich collectors who were planning on outbuying their friends will call me a loser but unfortunately for them, we're ALL on an even playing field now :).
ironyCurtain @ Oct 26th 2007 5:51PM
@16: That really defeats the whole purpose of a "trading" card game. If you lock a card to its first owner then it can never get traded around, which in my opinion is one of the best aspects of games like Magic.
komrad @ Oct 26th 2007 7:58PM
definitely going to get a cheap printer.
Kiros Skye @ Oct 29th 2007 10:00AM
If you are a good player then you dont need every card in the game to win. I have probably played alot of people who duplicate cards but I have only lost 8 times. 1 time my internet went out on me, 5 times to my brother and TWO...2 times to actual people. I have over 40 wins as well. Just because you copied the cards, that doesnt mean you will win every match.
gooberngrape @ Jan 10th 2008 4:42PM
i'm fast accumulating many doubles (hellfire spitter, anyone?), so wearing out cards from normal gameplay and shuffling isnt that big a deal.
but, duh,
this method would be a good thing to preserve my rare cards-- to keep them from getting too ratty too quickly.
use the copy for everyday play, and keep the original in a binder for official matches or whatever.