SCEE: European PS3 install base to beat Xbox 360 in summer
by Andrew Yoon 
{ Jan 24th 2008 at 1:30PM }
While the PS3 continues to lag behind its Microsoft rival in America, it has done splendidly well in other parts of the globe. It's a non-contest in Japan, where sales of Xbox 360 have been abysmal at best. Europe, on the other hand, is an interesting territory. The PlayStation brand carries much more weight in the territory, and it's slowly on its way of overtaking the 360, in spite of its one year delayed release.SCEE president and CEO David Reeves this week, revealed that PS3 has already outsold 360 in certain territories such as France, Spain, Germany and Italy. He told MCV, "We don't often mention the competition, but I will give you some interesting data: In terms of installed base in some of our major markets, such as France, Spain, Germany and Italy – plus some distributor territories in smaller markets like Switzerland – our current cumulative installed base is now higher than Xbox 360.
However, a majority of the console's sales comes from the UK, and PS3 has yet to fully conquer. However, the outspoken Reeves is confident in their goals. "The team here expect to overtake the installed base of Xbox 360 across all PAL territories in late summer." And why do they believe such a lofty goal is possible? "It's also worth mentioning that last week we outsold Xbox 360 in PAL territories by a ratio of three to one."
[Via Videogamer.com]
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Justin @ Jan 24th 2008 1:35PM
Completely possible.
Eros @ Jan 24th 2008 1:51PM
Entirely completely undisputedly possible. You better believe it.
PS3 RulZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
Nate @ Jan 24th 2008 1:48PM
That's great, but does anyone have a suggestion as to *why*? Obviously, in Japan, it's about a home-grown product vs. something from the big bad american company, but to europeans, they're both foreign.
RPGJock @ Jan 24th 2008 3:10PM
Because you have an American made system with American games vs a Japanese made system with a bunch Japanese games.
I am just saying....
bigredend @ Jan 24th 2008 1:50PM
" However, a majority of the console's sales comes from the UK".........
Yep and still they treat us like SH#*E, released after usa and charged more for the damn thing
Eros @ Jan 24th 2008 1:54PM
Oh And I forgot undoubtably.
benny boy @ Jan 24th 2008 1:58PM
The Playstation brand is much more implanted over here and people generally see the PS3 as better than the 360 due to all that it can do.
Also, the fact that it is the natural successor to the PS2 which is owned by just about every child/teenager here makes it even more popular. It's just the fashionable thing to have.
(Also, Europeans are cleverer so they know which is best... :P)
benny boy @ Jan 24th 2008 1:59PM
This is from the UK by the way...
Organic_Shadow @ Jan 24th 2008 2:03PM
Europe usually gravitates toward PlayStation each generation anyway though.
rawd @ Jan 24th 2008 2:30PM
I love my PS3 but shut up already and give me Haze. Make it happen Reeves
Fraser JK @ Jan 24th 2008 2:05PM
The recent turn of events starting with Holiday Season 2007 and Blu Ray winning the war and all, makes me want to shove my friends 360 up his face.
When I told him that I bought the PS3, he didn't get the logic behind my, at the time, seemingly illogical decision. But I've managed to stay cool for now... the time will soon come.
To be honest, Europe is kinda weird, people just buy stuff here man!
Efeez1986 @ Jan 24th 2008 3:37PM
I hate how America is the only country filled with these xbox fanboy idiots.
rawd @ Jan 24th 2008 3:44PM
Don't forget Canada
Johny @ Jan 24th 2008 5:09PM
Wow... that is sooo true..
Thankfully Europe and Japan are still supporting the Playstation Brand.
eddyk @ Jan 24th 2008 2:28PM
The Playstation brand is very very strong in France because of the soccer and the Pro Evolution Soccer franchise wich is sells in 2 millions copy ONLY in France each year (it has been the top selling game for years, Yes, we love soccer here).
It has been a SONY exclusive until Microsoft broke it, but people are now blaming the Xbox 360 game pad wich is crap for this game.
Carlton @ Jan 24th 2008 2:38PM
Yes, but Europeans realise that American-made products are shoddy, worthless crap, whereas Japanese ones are reliable.
Plus, we are PC gamers, so when we buy a console we don't want to get lumbered with a gimped PC crammed into a box that is too small to allow sufficient airflow, causing the motherboard to buckle and the GPU to fry, and which has no mouse support.
...
That and Tekken.
Carlton @ Jan 24th 2008 2:39PM
Yes, but Europeans realise that American-made products are shoddy, worthless crap, whereas Japanese ones are reliable.
Plus, we are PC gamers, so when we buy a console we don't want to get lumbered with a gimped PC crammed into a box that is too small to allow sufficient airflow, causing the motherboard to buckle and the GPU to fry, and which has no mouse support.
...
That and Tekken.
Carlton @ Jan 24th 2008 2:53PM
That was supposed to be a response to Nate's question "why".
PS3fanboys comments system is shite. Hence the DP*.
* the P is for Post. Not anything else.
Taylor Barratt @ Jan 24th 2008 3:09PM
There's just no accounting for taste.
Whether the first gen 360s are reliable or not (my first gen PS2 puked on me within the first year) the fact remains, the 360 has the better exclusive games... multiplatform games are designed for the 360 first (hence a lot of the PS3's multiplatform game problems) and the XBOX offers better online service(s)... media center extender (live HD TV people!), the controller is better in almost every way and XBL Arcade is better and the system is cheaper. Plus I guess a number of EU countries will be sitting on 400 movies in XBLVM in the coming weeks. Oh and the IPTV features with BT.
Before you flame me though... I own both system, and short of blu-ray playback and Drakes Fortune, the PS3 has been useless to me. The PS3 got really lucky with the Warner Bros decision. Course I can say the same thing about the Wii too... I barely turn the damned thing on. It has what? 4 really good games for it and a bunch of crud.
RPGJock @ Jan 24th 2008 3:27PM
I said it before and I say it again. It's America vs Japan fought in EU. That where the real battle lies and Microsoft may have rub people the wrong way more than Sony has in the past. Just cause cut throat capitalism works in America doesn't mean it will flys elsewhere in the world.
Ruben @ Jan 24th 2008 3:40PM
"the 360 has better exclusive games"
What? 4 shooters?
matthew_neitzer @ Jan 24th 2008 3:41PM
Let us see:
-Opinion
-Usually True
-Opinion (Plus you pay for it)
-Requires you to have Windows Media Center (Also for the TV aspect a digital TV tuner)(PS3 has very similar capabilities + DIVX)
-Opinion (I actually prefer the PS2/PS3 controller)
-Opinion (How is it better, more content? Regardless, it is an opinion)
Well I will stop now, but just because you don't use it doesn't mean others don't appreciate it. There is a lot of potential in this black box, and I use it for a lot of things as well as games :)
Taylor Barratt @ Jan 24th 2008 4:13PM
Opinion based on fact, that is assuming one is willing to regard popular game review sites as authoritative on what's a good game and what isn't, if you're willing to use that as a basis, lets have a look.
I'll use IGN since it's the site I'm most familar with and easiest to illustrate the point.
I'd say any game rated 8 or higher would be considered a good game.
360 Total: 113 games ranked 8 to 10
27 games ranked 9 or higher (12 are shooters, 2 are Live Arcade)
86 games ranked 8 to 9 (13 are shooters, 17 are Live Arcade)
I dunno exactly which are exclusives, but I'm going to guess at least half. I think all but 2 of the arcade titles are.
PS3 Total: 46 games ranked 8 to 10
12 games ranked 9 or higher (3 are shooters, 1 is PSN)
34 games ranked 8 to 9 (6 are shooters, 3 are PSN)
Outside of the PSN titles, I can only identify 8 exclusives.
So.. doesn't that pretty much validate my point that the 360 has better games, exclusive or otherwise. Same with Arcade.
As for the media center capabilities. Yes there are similarities, however, only the 360 can stream live TV, HD or SD. Yes you need WMC, but you can extend your television viewing, not just media files.
As for the controller... I like the Dual Shock design, but the 360 gamepad feels better, for me anyhow. Obviously it has vibration, the batteries last a long time (I find the SixAxis battery life is about half the 360's). I can actually swap out my battery and if I still need to be wireless, I can replace it with AA's. I played a number of the PS3 demos and a couple rentals but so far the tilt sensing feature has felt very tacked on in games. Came with a 3 foot cord.
Sure the PS3 has potential, it's just extremely unrealized, so far.. just like the dreamcast. Not that the PS3 will go that way, I'll do fine, eventually.
Yeah yeah.. there's a year difference, doesn't change the lay of the land today. I was just commenting on how dumbfounded I am that people, today, would choose the PS3 over a 360. In a couple years, it may make sense for a gamer, today, it's puzzling.
davey @ Jan 24th 2008 4:22PM
1 Your right the xbox 360 is very unreliable
2. Good Exclusive titles -
Xbox 360 - halo 3, bioshock, mass effect, gears of war, gears of war 2
PS3 - uncharted, warhawk, resistance, motorstorm, final fantasy 13, killzone, littleBigPlanet, Gran Turismo, mgs4, infamous, haze, SOCOM, The agency, God Of War III, wipeout, White Knight Story, heavenly sword, Folklore, resistance 2, motorstorm 2, Ratchet and Clank, tekken 6, singstar, The Getaway
3. The xbox does have better online services but the ps3s will be improved in the future with 'home'
4. How is the controller better in every way? I prefer the PS2/PS3 controller
5. XBLA is better is opinion. I think the PSN has a better variety
6. The xbox is cheaper for a reason
7. It is cool how you can download movies but I'm sure that service will come to the ps3
8. Why did you buy a ps3 if you don't use it? Surely you knew what you were buying when you bought it
9. the difference in the multi-platform games is small. Not like it would make much of a difference
Personally I don't understand why people would choose the xbox over the ps3 except for price. Don't get me wrong the xbox is great but the ps3 is much better
bamf @ Jan 24th 2008 5:38PM
@Taylor
This is based on opinion whether yuo look at game site or not. You can't get an opinion on a site and regard that as fact. Mass Effect, Gears, Bioshock are the only exlusive games on 360 that I like. Microsoft big games have come and gone and there is nothing for 08 and beyond. PS3 has big games that I like Uncharted, Ratchet, UT III (best online game this gen) but the big titles have yet to come, MGS4, GT5: prologue (and thats only a demo) FFXIII, little Big Planet, Killzone and Haze (maybe)
Games are being developed on 360 first as its easier to develop for as they can get alot out of the 360, then they port the code to PS3 and try to get it to look and run the same. However this is starting to change where slowly more devs are building for PS3 first, Burnout Paradise, Haze, UTIII and I think this will improve and more will come exclusive to PS3 as the console will eventually have a much bigger worl-wide install base than 360, this will happen no matter how much you don't want to believe.
I only have silver membership for 360 as the only one feature that gold offers for me is online play, not bothered about in-game messaging, oooh big deal. So I will play PS3 online gaming because its free and I don't see why I need to play online with 360 if I can get the PS3 version of the game. And PSN will improve dramatically when HOME comes.
I don't use the 360 as a media centre as I don't see it as one. I haven't seeb this live HDTV, didn't know it existed, is this foe US only? I have seen movies and tv shows for download but even though the HD movies are not of a big file size, meaning the possibility its not of high quality (like many cut-scenes in 360 games) and from what I've read about the poor quality. I still wouldn't bother as I have no space to hold these movies, you are only given about 12gb of the 20gb hdd and I have arcade games on there already. Its just pointless have so much to download but not having no space to put it on. Oh and the the TV shows on there such. Having a 160gb hdd on my PS3, having music, pictures, many HD movies, trailers, many demoswith plenty of space left,having a new HD format built in namely blu-ray fully divX certified (360 is not), read many picture, music and movie files including wmv and wma, free online, internet browser, option for another OS makes it more of a media player, what else have I missed? I'm sure the PS3 has won many awards in the media player catogories, so many critics award the PS3 over the 360.
My mates are non-fanboys, they don't prefere a paticular console, go in gaming sites or discuss gaming to an extent, but I know they all prefere the sixaxis over the 360 controller. I could want a game that's on both consoles and despite if the PS3 version has any frame-rate issues, I would still go for the PS3 version not for the free online but mainly for the controller as even after a year on 360 it just doesn't feel right. I don't like the new triggers on the sixaxis, don't like the triggers on 360 controller either, silly things.
The IPtv feature isn't a plus as BT sucks and so does there new tv service. I can't see anyone getting on with BT as they lose more costomers than they gain.
I don't think the Warner decision comes down to luck, no company bases their businees on luck. There are many reasons why Warner came to blu-ray and one of them was that blu-ray was already kicking ass before the Warner decision. HD-DVD couldn't do nothing even when they or microsoft throwing their money around.
And i don't believe that you own a Ps3, just come in here to bash PS3
Efeez1986 @ Jan 25th 2008 4:08AM
AMEN RUBEN! I thought i was the only one who realized 360 doesn't have as many good games as people say. Those 4 games you said are Gears of War, Crackdown, Bioshock and Mass Effect, all shooters! Bioshock and Mass Effect sucks in my opinion, but i like Gears and Crackdown. 2 good exclusives in 2 years doesn't cut it.
Samisa @ Jan 24th 2008 3:27PM
Big woop.
leiwei @ Jan 24th 2008 4:07PM
I'm gonna joke around but ....
People in America buy 360s just like how People in America believed in Bush and his War Propaganda.
Seriously, a lot of the "media center" things the 360 has now, the PS3 had first. Let's throw in Hdmi connectivity.
Onto digital distribution however, the 360 obviously has loads of it in Live! Marketplace but seriously, the quality of those "hd" versions of tv shows and whatnot blows! I'd rather download tons of xvid/divx hd encodes off mininova using azureus and streaming them to the PS3 than downloading the stuff off marketplace.
Taylor Barratt @ Jan 24th 2008 4:16PM
So you're using piracy as a justification to what console offers more? Huh?
What did the Playstation have first? Was that integration to a PVR? or was that the ability to play music? Huh.. 360 was out a year in advance. My PS2 can't do any of that stuff.. you've got me confused here. About all it had first was 1080P Movie on disc capability. Sony is playing catchup.. as is BluRay (HDDVD does all this crap they're just now putting into BluRay).
This brand/corporate loyalty thing is really scary. Talk about consumer culture.
tboy @ Jan 24th 2008 6:56PM
Mabey Xbox used (most) of this stuff first. But also, the first year Xbox was out, 50% of them FAILED with a little problem known as RRoD (Red Ring of Death). My friends did, mine did, and when I got it replaced it did (call me unlucky). Then I got a ps3, mabey it is playing catch up, But from right out of the box it was a higher quality, BETTER system.
And the HDdvd vs Blu-Ray thing. Who cares if HDdvd has all this stuff, obviously, it sucked at utalizing it. Or Blu wouldnt have had a chance.
Point is, it doesnt matter which system has what first (to a certain extent) all that matters is which one is higher quality once it gets it.
leiwei @ Jan 24th 2008 7:12PM
I don't know about you but despite the 360 coming out a year in advance, the Playstation brand did have those media center stuff way before MS's lil machine. Ever heard of the PSX? Japan only? Yea. Seriously, if you look at how the technology's been and the stuff that's been rolling out, the Playstation brand has had this and that announced here and there. Then you have MS throwing it out at the masses before the Playstation announcements turn into reality. IPTV being first? Ability to use the 360 as a dvr? Please... Besides! You'll need a service provider that can give you IPTV before it works!
I'm not bashing the 360. I have one and I love it. Sure I love the PS3 too. But I believe credit goes where it belongs and those that claim they did it better or had it first is just plain ignorant. Look at Apple! Steve mocked the 11.1'' Sony TX laptop for being too big for an ultraportable when the 13'' Mac Book Air has achieved thinness and sexiness in one package... but what do you know? They totally forgot that Sony had the world's thinness laptop 3-4 years ago! Sure it may not be that thin now, but 3-4 years ago it sure was. And despite its price being $4k some years ago, heck at that time... a machine that thin was still pretty darn astonishing.
PL @ Jan 24th 2008 5:20PM
There was a year and a half between the release of the 360 and the PS3 (Xbox: May 2005, PS3: November 2006), not just a year... it makes a difference.
I own a PC. That's what I'm using to make this post on, so that gives me very little reason to own an Xbox 360. Most of the decent Xbox 360 "exclusives" make it to PC, pretty much nullifying said exclusives' exclusivity. They're not really exclusives if I own the games, but don't own the console they're "exclusive" to.
So yeah. I'm American, and I'm enjoying playing my PS3 and my "Xbox 360 exclusives" on my PC.
PL @ Jan 24th 2008 5:25PM
Err, scratch that year and a half comment... it was a year, the 360 was "unveiled" in May 2005, so you're right.
Joey_Numbers @ Jan 24th 2008 9:17PM
I really believe the RROD will be the downfall of Microsoft's gaming console. I have 2 bricked 360's in my room now. Do you think I will ever but another Microsoft console? Do you think my cousins or close friends that haven't bought a console yet, will buy one?
360 reputation is garbage. It not just about the game... reliability is huge.
thinkofmeasmra @ Jan 24th 2008 9:05PM
@Taylor Barratt
Couple questions...
1. how can you compare exclusives when your like "i dont know how many of those are exclusives, but im going to guess half..." . I mean really, are you challenged or just stupid? You nullified that part of your argument the moment you had to "guess".
2. How does it feel to have to pay for your online gaming when as someone else said, you can get the PC version and play online for free? These games arent 360 exclusives, their Microsoft/Games For Windows exclusives.
3. Why pay for a 360 when most people's computers already kill it?? The only thing anyone would have to upgrade is their graphic card. Especially if you have a Dual Core.
3. Umm how many controllers did microsoft release?? I dont own a piece of shit xbox so i dont know exactly but theres the original wired, the wireless, the wireless with batteries, the wired with rumble, and then the wireless with rumble? Is that correct or did i add/miss some? Either way i know theres at least 3 different controllers. If its so damn perfect you think there'd be only one version (and lets not go into the DS3 being the ps3's 2nd controller cuz thats different).
4. For someone who claims to own all three systems, you come off like a real fanboy.
5. My ps2 AND ps1 could both read music. Ps2 read dvd's. Theres two media capabilities we've had before any major console so I dont know what the hell your talking about not being able to listen to music on your ps2 when the original playstation did it.
6. Do you feel special for having 2 run of the mill computers? One being a realiable one and one being like a laptop, but suffering more heating issues than any laptop?
7. Our DVR service is on the way...already deployed (if not within months) in europe.
8. The library for xbox is obviously going to largerhigher than ps3's since its been out longer. Now lets inverse our focus. How many terrible games do you think the 360 has outta all of those? More terrible games than the ps3 has im sure.
9. Do you really think xbox has a chance in the multiplatform games department once EA sorts their shit out? I'm going to say no since ALL of our bad multiplatform games came from EA.
9. Can you name 3+ upcomming *exclusives* for 360 your lookin forward to? I bet you struggle to name one...
10. Last but not least, How many dicks have you sucked today? I ask cuz you seem to be a real cock sucker...
AL7AIR @ Jan 25th 2008 12:11AM
@3
There are only two official controllers from Microsoft: The wired one and the wireless one. But you could update the wireless one from regular batteries to a rechargeable battery pack using the "Play and Charge Kit", which had a proprietary plug to USB cord, or the "Quick Charge Station" which plugged into a wall socked. A wired controller costs you 35 Euros, Wireless 45 Euros, Play and Charge Kit is a 20 Euros investment and the Charge Station is 30 Euro ... compared to the 45 Euros SIXAXIS which can be charged using any miniUSB cable. So it just adds to the "cheap at first but expansive when you want the whole package" situation at Microsoft. Those prices are the retail ones here in the EU, sure you can get them cheaper online but still it's an accessories overkill. There are six when you count the four extra colors individually: Elite's Black, Halo's Moongoose Green (haven't seen that one at retail yet), Powder Blue and Pink. Seven+ if you count all the special editions like the yellow Simpsons one and so on.
@5
Just to add a little more to the media capabilities, and who had what "first": PS2 DVD playback out of the box vs. Xbox's "Please by the DVD remote". And don't forget that the PS3 is a DLNA certified device which makes it a Media Center Extender as well with the only exception that you can't watch live programs, but than again I'm sitting in front of the television so why not simply change the channel from AV to TV ;).
@7
Don't forget that the Playstation PlayTV PVR records of your regular cable and free to air channels and does not require any special IPTV provider.
@10
That one was unnecessary ... I think he got your point half way through ;)
@all
I own both systems, play them equally and have fun while doing so.
Skorpious @ Jan 25th 2008 3:49AM
Ok, I just want to point out, that this post seems very anti-American. Its funny. If an Amarican Posted anti euro comments, We would be roasted alive.
Personaly, I dont know why europeans and Asian markets like the ps3 so much.
All I keep Reading About is what the PS3 will do and will have. While the 360 is doing and does have now!
Its not about the product is about who makes it.
Anyone who has both systems(like myself) knows that the 360 out performs in the amount of GOOD GAMING and the convenience of the online service.
The ps3 is not there yet. Im sure it will be (maybe next year). But not today. Besides Playing Blu Ray movies Its collecting dust. Even the media streaming of the 360 from a pc is faster and easier then the PS3.
I know, I know, I need to shut up right? All Im saying is that you all need to open your eyes and see things as they are.
The 360 is now. The ps3 is the future...Maybe.
And as for the wii its cheap its easiy. Who wouldnt pick it up.
Im speaking the truth, you all (those who own all consoles) know Im sayin it as it is.
And P.S. Im sorry about Bush He did turn out to be a real ...Turd!
Phil @ Jan 25th 2008 5:38AM
My cries that Warhawk is more awesome than swimming in a pool full of nubile, naked, teenage girls fall on deaf ears amongst the Call of Duty 4 playing Xbox 360-only owners in the office.
I've had a 360 fail on me, only time will tell what will happen with the PS3, but as it's a revised second generaiton model it probably has the advantage of not being thrown together in a hurry and pushed out of the door to beat another console to market.
I find it hard to decide which console is better as a console between the 360 and the PS3, but when it comes to games overall the 360 has it hands down for me... or it did until Warhawk anyway.
It's worth paying a yearly fee (which is trivial anyway), after all Xbox live actually lets me play all arcade games before I buy them- fancy that! The Playstation Store is a f**king usability disaster which brings whole new meanings to the words "counter intuitive" and seems to be a web-page rather than a properly integrated content browser. Suffice to say I absolutely despise it and, further more, despise the fact that the PS3 has to install games that I download... what the hell is it installing? Clearly the download packages are zipped, and they have to be, because downloading anything from the financially unsupported Playstation store is so agonizingly mind-bendingly slow compared to Xbox Live that I would have died of old age before an uncompressed Warhawk downloaded.
The PS3s GUI, in general, is a complete disaster that appears to have been designed for 10 inch viewing distances- I'm not blind by any means but sitting at a reasonable distance from my TV makes using the "award winning" cross browser system frankly quite painful. I'm not sure what "award" it won, but I imagine "Most User-unfriendly, counter-intuitive and inconsistent user interface ever concieved" might be it. I don't know why I hate the XMB so much on the PS3 given that it works so neatly on the PSP- I guess given the amount of content the PS3 can hold and its complete lack of any categorisation on games/demos (or maybe I just can't find that facility) the XMB starts to become irksome.
And then there's the Xbox GUI, which as beautifully integrated and wonderfully fluid as it can be still doesn't appear to even try to take advantage of high definition TVs that might actually be high definition and not this "HD Ready" bollocks. Sure the average Joe is going to be rocking 720p, but if I want to waggle my 1080p owning willy around I want to do it in style, and frankly the uninspiringly ugly and overcrowded GUI of the 360 doesn't champion the HD cause.
Then there's the HD-DVD addon... all I can really say here is "fuck you, Microsoft". They had to give me 5 free HD-DVDs to even buy it (not that I've got those yet, grumble) and somehow managed to make the thing as big, ugly, obnoxious and not-matching-my-black-xbox 360-mmkay as possible. You'd think they would want to inspire owners to buy the Elite (which should have included an HD-DVD player for fucks sake) by producing accessories in black... but nooo it's far more important to them to make blue and pink controllers for no apparent reason at all than to make their product line up an even bigger cluster-f**k of mismatched colours. I can't really complain as I got 4 of them free at a PR event, but I WANT MY UGLY AS SIN XBOX to be as un-ugly as I can possibly make it, and having a white goddamn chat pad tagged on to a black controller looks awful!
The PS3 does it better in its sexy glossy black (or would do if it wasan't the size and shape of a george forman grill), but even SONY are now releasing the ugly chav white version- fortunately I am confident that SONY can follow up their pointless white PS3 with pointless white accessories- Hell I got a SILVER MEMORY CARD for my silver PS2 back in the day!
I think I'll shut up now... In short Fanboyism is pointless because BOTH companies are royally f**king us up the wazoo with half-arsed, rushed to market products subsidised by absurdly overpriced medoicre games and a plethora of accessories.
Taylor Barratt @ Jan 25th 2008 8:50AM
#21
AWESOME! Lets list as many unreleased games based
on their hype as possible. Woo! That'll SO solidify
the argument about the here and now.
And then lets talk about a social networking
service, that's... also unreleased, to compare to
a gameplay experience.
Your #9 is awesome. Actually, it IS exclusive games
that should drive the purcahsing decision.
Otherwise we're just arguing symantics.
*sob* You guys kill me.
#22
Yes, you're right it's opinion. Sort of like
everything you said AFTER your second sentence. I
tried to back up my comments with opinion that
wasn't just mine, but was a little more universal.
The way media center works is it's a PC based DVR.
It can record SD or HD as well as display SD or HD.
Think of a Tivo HD. Well what Windows Media Center
extenders can do (like the 360) is allow you to
watch the content (live or recorded) that's on your
Media Center machine, on your 360. The entire user
interface is available to you. So you can schedule
recordings, watch TV, etc... all from wherever your 360 is.. which in most 'civilized' homes is not the living room. (though thanks to wireless, it's a little more acceptible). I understand most of the people here are single guys under 20 or so. So having your own home or more than 1 TV, or the ability to buy more than one console isn't widespread. Sort of like those people being able to afford to amass a BluRay (or HDDVD) library with retail prices being about 3 to 4 times that of DVD. Some features just aren't of use to people. Anyhow it's not a US only thing.
yes, I would agree, one sweet thing about the PS3 is I can self-upgrade the HDD. I do like that. But seeing as how I really don't have anything to put on it...
Oh did I mention the annoyance of having to install my demos after I download them on the PS3. Yeah.. you don't have to do that on the 360... again, it's a small thing, but it's usually the small things that matter.
But dood, I have a PS3. Seriously. I didn't come here to bash it. I was actually trying to illustrate my confusion over why the PS3 would be outselling the 360 so strongly in the EU.
hey I bash the Wii too, I'm totally disappointed it hasn't had a game that lived up to Wii Play. I bought a couple, finished in hours, no online play... it's such a crippled console.. crippled mostly due to lack of 3rd party support. That said, nintendo does make *some* good 1st party games, but it's all so gimmicky now. Anyhow it's cool to fire up the wii once and a while and play some 4 person tennis. But I can't recommend the system to anyone unless they have children and want to play non-violent games.
Just look at the game attach rates... they really do speak volumes.
#27
How could the PS3, coming out a year later, have "a lot of the 'media center' things the 360 has now"?
How is that possible?
The 360 came out of the box, a year before the PS3 with EVERYTHING it does now.. minus Divx playback.. which the PS3 also, just got (and interestingly I can't get to work, all I get is "unsupported format" on all my TV shows).
#29
yes yes.. hardware issues. covered by a 3 year warrantly. Mine hasn't failed yet (launch system) *knock on wood*. I do kind of expect it to though. It will suck, it will also get fixed.. just like a car with a crappy alternator, or really easy to break into... it'll get fixed, but doesn't change the driving experience though.
As for the HD-DVD/BD thing. I only brought it up because of all this commenting that the 360 copies all these awesome Playstation ideaw. Fact is sony is playing catch-up, as is their marquee media format here. I've got both systems, I don't really care which one wins, I'm covered.
And yes, you're right it doesn't matter which one had it first. I was not boasting in the initial post about who did something first. Just what the lay of the land today is.
"but than again I'm sitting in front of the
television so why not simply change the channel
from AV to TV ;)."
Well for starters, I dunno about you, but I don't
have an OTA antenna for every TV in my house. Or,
lets see, if I was a cable subscriber (or
satellite, as in my case), how exactly do I get the
TV show i recorded last night accessible on all my
TVs? I mean really, is anyone thinking about their
argument before they go flapping their fingers?
BTW, Why the hell are we comparing PS2 and XBOX
here? The site should be called "PSCE Fanboys".
#27
You're going to argue about something that was
exclusive to Japan (where... *I* don't live, dunno
about you) and wasn't a PS3? Oh well, maybe then I
should talk about Windows 3.11 and all it's media
capabilities? It's about roughly the same argument.
Pointless.
#33
You must not be very good at math. Look I didn't want to waste another 10 minutes trying to figure out which games were exclusives and which one's weren't. If you do the math as assume most cross platform titles will have the same score give or take a couple percent of a point, then 113 - 46 = 67 games on the 360 that aren't on the PS3 ranked 8 or higher.
See how that works?
That's over TWICE.
I didn't invalidate squat.
"4. For someone who claims to own all three
systems, you come off like a real fanboy."
*I* come off like a fanboy? You (and a few others
here) are the ones spewing off corporate roadmap
and promises, I'm talking about today, the here and
now. (And I guess consequently, the previous 2
years as well).
It's like the guy who spewed off all those PS3
exclusives... the vast majority of which aren't
even out. You guys are stroking your chubbys a
little prematurely.
I pay for live the same reason people go to a fancy
restaurant. You're looking for a good, consistent experience. And like a fancy
restaurant, once in a blue moon (this past
christmas) the experience can be less than awesome. But really gonna piss on XBL live (which has been around pre-360) for a couple weeks during a peak period.
But seriously, the what? $50 a year it costs me is
worth it (holy shit.. is that like $4.25? Oh
noes... now I can't buy a coke and a bag of chips
this month!
Yes, I have all three current generation consoles.
The PS3 was a recent Christmas gift from my wife, a
little premature and unexpected, but I would have
bought one later this year for the BluRay
capability anyhow. So the reason I have it is
solely for BD. That said, I would have chosen
the PS3 over a standalone device once the Final
Fantasy games started coming out.
Really? Comparing the PC now? Yeah cause they're the same. WTF?
Course the maturity level is awesome from you.
#34
Thanks for clearing up the joystick argument, but your comments after the fact are a little biased. The Sixaxis is $50, a Wireless 360 Gamepad is... *ta daaaa* $50. What's actually really nice about the 360 Gamepad (yes the wireless one) is I can use it on my PC. Anyhow it's a small point, I don't think the sixaxis sucks or anything, but there's a lot of 'slight edges' I'd give to the 360. There's always an extra feature or two I actually can/do use.
I wish I could use all systems equally. But, to my point, the other systems only have a couple games that have been worth getting, to date.
#35
Why are they "in your room"? why aren't they repaired or sold or whatever.
@ALL
Again, the only direction the PS3 can go is up. And I'm looking forward to getting my Final Fantasy on. But I don't know too many people who will shell out $350pound ($700+ for us North Americans) on the promise of something in the future.
Anyhow.. goodday. There'll be no more defense of point from me. I'm obviously mentally deficient trying to prove points, not only online, but on a fanboy site. I've said all I can say. Wake me up when Drakes 2 or something comes out.
AL7AIR @ Jan 25th 2008 10:15PM
Well the prices here in Europe are a little different and as I wrote in my comment you can get them cheaper online and some of the shops have them for the same price indeed. But one thing still stands: You get a rechargeable SIXAXIS out of the box and you have to update the wireless Xbox360 controller with at least the play and charge kit to get where the Sony controller is right from the start ... oh and you can use the SIXAXIS with a PC as well ;)
thinkofmeasmra @ Jan 25th 2008 8:51PM
@ AL7AIR
3. Woooooooooooooooowww thats a stupid amount of "add ons".
10. Ya i know but iunno why but i got mad half way through lol
thinkofmeasmra @ Jan 25th 2008 8:53PM
@ AL7AIR
3. Woooooooooooooooowww thats a stupid amount of "add ons".
10. Ya i know but iunno why but i got mad half way through lol
@ Taylor....
Whatever man im done, but you do know you can play pc games with your sixaxis too right? Not that you'd care i guess... lol
Taylor Barratt @ Jan 26th 2008 10:28AM
BTW, not to argue but my understanding was you can only use the sixaxis via USB, not wirelessly. When I first got the PS3 box I was doing a bit of reading (before opening it) to see if I wanted to keep the 80gb or trade for the 40 and a better game and I was sure I had read it worked only via USB.
Also only 360 I know of that came with a wired controller was the base one which at launch a year ahead was what? $200 less than the entry PS3?
Anyhow if you really want to talk about hidden costs, look at the Wii. (Though I will say, it's pathetic the PS3 does not come with some form of HD cable... weaksauce). Anyhow the Wii is the worst. $45 for the remote and then another $25 for the numbchuck. Then you need another style of controller if you want to play their "arcade" games cause the numbchuck doesn't have enough buttons on it. For the cheapest system, it's actually cost me the most to get to a point where it's fun (i.e. having 4 full controller setups).
The nice thing about the wii though are the stupidly cheap used Gamecube games. :) RE4 for $9.99? yes please.
PL @ Jan 26th 2008 1:02PM
Yeah, I wasn't comparing anything to PC. I was saying that most of the Xbox 360 "exclusives" aren't really exclusive BECAUSE they come to PC. I don't consider my PC to be an Xbox 360, so therefore they must not be exclusive. Many Xbox 360 owners invoke the names of Gears of War or Bioshock and call them exclusives, but I can play both of them on my PC right now. On top of that, I would be willing to bet that a lot more of Xbox 360's flagship titles will eventually make it to PC, just like Halo 2, KotOR, and Fable made it to PC. I'm sure Halo 3 will eventually make it to PC just like every Halo has in the past, and I'm sure Mass Effect will make it to PC just as every Bioware RPG has done so in the past. I can't really think of any other worthwhile exclusives to mention. Viva Pinata? Oh wait, that's on PC too. Lolz. Forza? PS3 has Gran Turismo coming, so I think PS3 owners can live with that.
What I'm basically saying is, if you own a PC, owning a 360 seems like it will be pretty pointless in the long run. And who here doesn't own a PC? Kind of dumb to claim titles as exclusive when they're available on another platform (even if it's not the platform the X360 is in direct competition with).
PL @ Jan 26th 2008 1:13PM
Oh and if the lack of a PS3 including an HDMI cable is a concern, you can go to monoprice.com and grab one for under ten dollars. There is no difference between the quality of monoprice cables and the ridiculously overpriced Monster or other big-name brand cables.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10243&cs_id=1024007&p_id=3871&seq=1&format=2
Here you go, HDMI cable for 5 bucks. There is no difference between the big-name HDMI cables and Monoprice cables unless you want a cable that's over 35 feet, then the signal starts to degrade.
PL @ Jan 26th 2008 1:20PM
The post I made before that got lost in limbo... stupid confirmation for every post.
I wasn't comparing the Xbox 360 to PC. There's not much to compare. I'm just saying that a lot of the titles that the Xbox claims as "exclusive" are out, or probably coming out on PC. Bioshock and Gears of War == Out on PC, so therefore, they are not exclusives. If I can play them on a platform other than what they are exclusive to, how are they exclusive?
I wouldn't be surprised if other flagship titles made it to PC as well. Halo 3 will probably make it to PC just like Halo 1 and 2 did. Mass Effect will probably also make it to PC just like EVERY Bioware RPG has done in the past. What other "exclusives" are worth mentioning? Viva Pinata? Lolz... oh wait, that's already out on PC.
I think if you don't own a PC, the Xbox 360 is a pretty viable purchase. But seriously, who here doesn't own a PC?
cycopl @ Jan 26th 2008 1:27PM
My other post got caught in limbo I assume...
I wasn't comparing Xbox 360 to PC. I'm just saying that many of the games that people list as "exclusives" aren't exclusive at all. Bioshock and Gears of War, commonly touted as Xbox 360 exclusives, are playable on PC right now. Halo 3 will probably come to PC just as Halo 1 and 2 have done. Mass Effect will probably come to PC just like EVERY Bioware RPG has ever done. Fable 2 will probably come to PC just like Fable. Are there really any other exclusives worth mentioning? Viva Pinata? Oh that's already on PC. Lolz.
I can see the 360 being a viable console for people that don't own PC's, but seriously, who here doesn't own a PC?
PL @ Jan 26th 2008 9:08PM
Wow... this board system is messed up, lolz.